NL5 AK 2Pair and WA/WB scenario

inverted · #1 08-13-2007, 01:46 AM

Just wondering if my line here is correct

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.04 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP3 ($3.10)
CO ($5.23)
Button ($4.60)
SB ($4)
Hero ($4.60)
UTG ($4.32)
UTG+1 ($7.51)
MP1 ($1.13)
MP2 ($4.98)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
7 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to $0.12, SB calls $0.10.

Flop: ($0.28) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $0.16, Hero calls $0.16.

Turn: ($0.60) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $0.48, Hero calls $0.48.

River: ($1.56) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB calls $3.98 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $5.54

Results in white below: 
SB doesn't show.
Outcome: SB wins $5.54. 

At the end of my session I sat out and asked him if he had the flush, he said nope I had a small pair. Which lends me to believe he did flop a flush

Hand 2

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.04 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($2.93)
SB ($5.25)
BB ($3.86)
UTG ($4.16)
Hero ($5.42)
MP1 ($4.32)
MP2 ($7.51)
MP3 ($1.13)
CO ($4.98)

Preflop:
1 fold, UTGB raises to $0.14, 6 folds, BB calls $0.10.

Flop: ($0.30) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($0.30) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $0.24, Hero calls $0.24.

River: ($0.78) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $0.44, Hero calls $0.44.

Final Pot: $1.66

Results in white below: 
BB has Ks Kd (one pair, kings).
Hero has Jd Jc (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: BB wins $1.66. 

In this hand on the flop I thought I was WA or WB and thought I might check to try to induce a bluff on the turn. The small bets through me off as it led me to believe he had a weak hand or trips and was trying to drag me along.

Larude · #2 08-13-2007, 05:24 AM

Hand 1, I would call the river. Villains line makes no sense, you call two times (which means hey I am drawing or hey I am weak), why would villain then all of sudden put you allin on the river? If he has a decent hand he should valuebet or induce a bluf on the river, big chance he has a weaker hand then you at this point and is bluffing. Also raise that flop you have a lot of equity and a tophand versus the SB, don't be shy with it.

Larude · #3 08-13-2007, 05:25 AM

Hand two, I would just bet the flop because I don't want to give away a K or A freecard.

inverted · #4 08-13-2007, 05:54 AM

I would have raised if I didnt have the nut flush draw and was getting odds to call. I thought about raising the turn.

inverted · #5 08-13-2007, 05:56 AM

additionally on hand 1: Alot of the time you see ppl in the lower stakes go, small bet, small bet, oh we are on the river BIG BET TIME!!!!!!! I've always thought this line was hahaha got u to the river with the nuts fool, now you have to call!!

Larude · #6 08-13-2007, 06:01 AM

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additionally on hand 1: Alot of the time you see ppl in the lower stakes go, small bet, small bet, oh we are on the river BIG BET TIME!!!!!!! I've always thought this line was hahaha got u to the river with the nuts fool, now you have to call!!

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Yep that's true, if he really is a marginal player that indeed could be his thinking line. The problem is though you have just called all the way long and haven't shown any strength that he could really be bluffing here. He either has a big hand or small hand; I would call because you played it so weak. The problem is that you should have shown more aggression on the flop and turn, and got it allin there with the nut flushdraw and toppair in a SB versus BB situation, now you are a littlebit lost.

AlexB182 · #7 08-13-2007, 07:57 AM

Hand 1: Definetely raise flop, when he plays back at you there (maybe reraises AI) we have to reevaluate. If he just calls bet turn and Value bet river.
Hand 2: Bet flop.

seki · #8 08-13-2007, 03:33 PM

Dear god, find the bet/raise buttons.

On hand one you have TPTK with the nut flush draw, you should be looking for a way to shovel your chips in. On hand two, you have a vulnerable underpair, and you need to bet to get any information.