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Old 08-13-2007, 12:58 PM
ZenMusician ZenMusician is offline
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Default $50 NL - Lost playing TPWK on C/R\'d Turn

Villain is in every pot, but I haven't seen him
really get out of line postflop in ~15 hands.

Not at home comp, so this is the best I have:

Stacks ~$50

(5 folds), ZEN raises (Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]) $1.50, fold
BB calls. POT $3.25

FLOP: Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

BB Checks, ZEN Bets $2, BB Calls

TURN: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

BB Checks, ZEN Bets $3.50, BB Raises to $7, ZEN Calls(?)

RIVER: 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

BB Bets $2.50, ZEN ???

I love this forum idea, thanks for any opinions
about this hand!

-ZEN
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Old 08-13-2007, 01:07 PM
4_2_it 4_2_it is offline
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Default Re: $50 NL - Lost playing TPWK on C/R\'d Turn

Checking the turn to induce a river bluff isn't a bad play. Betting the turn and shows strength. I have found that almost no one at NL$50 will min check raise the turn with air (which, along with Q2 is all you beat).

Having said that calling the turn CR and river small bet is not a huge mistake, especially against a bluffy or unpredictable villain who automatically put you on AK and play 88 like the nuts. Just make a note about what this means because guys like this almost never vary their play.
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Old 08-13-2007, 01:49 PM
tyler_cracker tyler_cracker is offline
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Default Re: $50 NL - Lost playing TPWK on C/R\'d Turn

grunch

i would normally bet a little more on the flop, but given how dry this board is, $2 is probably fine.

this might be a good spot to check behind the turn for pot control, especially given the aforementioned dry flop.

as played, i can't fold to the turn minraise, especially since this is a blind battle situation. i also can't fold to the small river bet, even though it looks like it's designed to be called (my best guess is a value bet with 6x).
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Old 08-13-2007, 01:52 PM
Josh. Josh. is offline
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Default Re: $50 NL - Lost playing TPWK on C/R\'d Turn

opponent needs to be BAD for me to bet the turn. you're really not getting value from anything except pocket pairs occasionally (if he's BAD). get used to checking turns with mediocre made hands and picking off bluffs on the river. here i'd probably fold to a big river bet but call a small blocking bet

once he c/minraises you're beat
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Old 08-13-2007, 02:30 PM
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Default Re: $50 NL - Lost playing TPWK on C/R\'d Turn

[ QUOTE ]
get used to checking turns with mediocre made hands and picking off bluffs on the river. here i'd probably fold to a big river bet but call a small blocking bet

once he c/minraises you're beat

[/ QUOTE ]

Funny you should say that, because normally I check
the turn also, but have lately been allowing villains
to catch-up.

If I'm not sure my Q is good, what line better defines
my hand? FWIW, not being results oriented, but the
opponent's play on the turn got him his 2-outer on the
river...so I'm, wondering am I retarded for not pushing
harder on the flop/turn, and if so, what calls me that I
beat? (and is this opponent a bit more awesome than
I give credit for, reading me for a weak Q and trying
to push me off it? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Thanks to all so far!
-ZEN
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Old 08-13-2007, 02:37 PM
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Default Re: $50 NL - Lost playing TPWK on C/R\'d Turn

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against a bluffy or unpredictable villain who automatically put you on AK and <font color="red">play 88 like the nuts.</font> Just make a note about what this means because guys like this almost never vary their play.

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This is gold (and precisely what happened!), thank you, sir!

-ZEN
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