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Old 08-12-2007, 10:34 PM
Mcmatto Mcmatto is offline
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Default ($27) AKs - Shove Or flat call at 25/50

Probably a stuipid post but is the standard here to flat call and c/f un improved? Or are you guys shoving this.. re raising seems bad as if i get flated im commited to shove ne flop.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t150</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ?
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Old 08-12-2007, 10:58 PM
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Default Re: ($27) AKs - Shove Or flat call at 25/50

yeah u can call or reraise, id probably just call.
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Old 08-12-2007, 11:26 PM
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Default Re: ($27) AKs - Shove Or flat call at 25/50

Against an unknown I call.
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Old 08-12-2007, 11:27 PM
tafokints tafokints is offline
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Default Re: ($27) AKs - Shove Or flat call at 25/50

I agree with a call and then playing in position after the flop
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Old 08-13-2007, 01:01 AM
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Default Re: ($27) AKs - Shove Or flat call at 25/50

Call is good - especially when you have position on the raiser (first to act after him postflop, even if button calls). It's worth thinking about what you would do if there was a reraise behind you (depends on players, obv). Not too worrisome here, so a call looks even better.


Definitely OTT to push and, as you say, reraising (a sensible amount, ~500) pretty much pot-commits you (and him) even if it doesn't all go in preflop.
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Old 08-13-2007, 01:48 AM
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Default Re: ($27) AKs - Shove Or flat call at 25/50

I would definately need to believe he raises a wide range here to shove and I just don't think that 150 represents a large enough amount of your stack to shove to pick up. I like a lil more overlay in the case that I have to race with 88 here. normal RR is obv no good for reasons state above.

I would also be prepared to bet a flop if checked to.
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Old 08-13-2007, 05:55 AM
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Default Re: ($27) AKs - Shove Or flat call at 25/50

if u have a feeling/read he might pay you off with AQ, AJ you might push...

otherwise you call
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Old 08-13-2007, 06:48 AM
Luisgallo Luisgallo is offline
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Default Re: ($27) AKs - Shove Or flat call at 25/50

Well...I really don't understand when people talk about reads for a 150 raise in mid position.
Range is so wide here...a regular is raising most pairs and probably AJs+, KQ and I don't see an unknwon behaving much differently, maybe some worse A.
So reads are pretty much irrelevant, especially with AK which is a hand that plays on its own.

There are two reasons why you just call here:

1)Disguise your hand; flat calling in the first levels is most of the time sign of a pair therefore if villain is playing AQ or AJ you have a much better chance to get all his chips.

2) you are not deep enough to reraise and not being committed, with a reraise to 450 pot is already 1000.

Probably levl 3 is the latest stage where you can still call.

Post flop: I disagree with whoever say to bet any checked flop, it is pretty much based on flop's texture itself: I like to bet when I hit and I really like to keep the pot small since I already decided to go for the conservative way, AQ and Aj are not paying you off and you risk a check raise by a mid pair.
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