value shove this river? 200NL

[pmuir10]

villain is 52/7/.5, he was snapcalling each bet..

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $225.65
BB: $285.00
UTG: $376.85
Hero (CO): $204.15
BTN: $402.10

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG calls $2.00, <font color="red">Hero raises to $9.00</font>, 3 folds, UTG calls $7.00

Flop: ($21) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $14.00</font>, UTG calls $14.00

Turn: ($49) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $42.00</font>, UTG calls $42.00

River: ($133) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero (w/ $140 left)? value shove? value bet? check behind?

[Symbolic]

Not the greatest river card since it scares him if he has a queen, except KQ which now beats us. So I probably bet 1/2 pot or so.

[cs3]

check.
the most likely hands he was calling down with that you beat are:
1) bare A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2) weak queens

in case (1) hes obviously folding so no value there
in case (2) hes probably only calling if he has exactly KQ because donks are always irrationally afraid of any overcard.

also this guy is so passive and so loose that he could be check/calling with any 2 pr, set, or flush.

[Nielsio]

Please include how many hands for the stats. Ppl forget this often and it matters a lot.

If he is really a 'no value moron' (as I so often make notes of), then probably check behind. If he is more capable of using the bet or raise button, then I could find some thin value here.

[pmuir10]

stats are over 50 hands i think

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'no value moron'

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what exactly does this mean?

[Nielsio]

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stats are over 50 hands i think

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'no value moron'

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what exactly does this mean?

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A 'no value moron' is someone who will hit tp on the river and check behind. Or who will c/c twice with a set on a drawy board. Hero will then check behind on the river with a marginal holding and find that villain had him crushed. Or hero will hit his flush that villain never protected and hero will bust villain. You get the idea, I assume.

[Oct0puz]

Against this guy I think it's a pretty clear value bet, and I wouldn't even callt it thin. About half pot sounds good.

[pmuir10]

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stats are over 50 hands i think

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'no value moron'

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what exactly does this mean?

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A 'no value moron' is someone who will hit tp on the river and check behind. Or who will c/c twice with a set on a drawy board. Hero will then check behind on the river with a marginal holding and find that villain had him crushed. Or hero will hit his flush that villain never protected and hero will bust villain. You get the idea, I assume.

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yeah i know what your saying. i appreciate the explanation.