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Old 08-11-2007, 06:32 PM
dreamcircus dreamcircus is offline
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only hands that call you there have you beat.

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No way. TT-JJ will call here very often and some bad opponents will even call with smaller PP and AK.

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Sure, so you raise to find out what they have, not blind-shove so exposing your whole stack to possibility of a better hand.

If your logic here is correct, then most hands any situation any street you can shove because "some hands that aren't the nuts will call".
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Old 08-11-2007, 06:49 PM
Unknown Soldier Unknown Soldier is offline
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so you'de raise then fold if he shoves circus?
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Old 08-11-2007, 06:54 PM
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so you fold? thats bad..

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Nope, call or raise which serves same purpose as your shove without exposing whole stack to a better hand.

Bad? Did you lose? Hence posting the hand?

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so you minraise and then give up on the hand?
it's bad beacuse it's bad advice.
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Old 08-11-2007, 07:02 PM
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It's just not std when villain has KK-AA
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Old 08-11-2007, 09:15 PM
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yea why not 4bet pf as played i think we only get called by hands that got us beat
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Old 08-11-2007, 09:34 PM
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very standard
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Old 08-11-2007, 09:52 PM
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I tend to agree with dreamcircus. I play 100nl too and I rarely stack off with QQ here.

I'd rather just call and see a turn. If it's not a K or A, not very likely because the biggest part of his range is AK/KK/AA probably, and he checks, I go broke.

If he bets again I'll let him have it. This is assuming he's solid. Since donks just love to push AK on the turn.

Btw, this works both ways. If I have QQ/KK/AA and I'm the one 3betting pf. I just CRAI on turn. Alot of small pairs fall for that.
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Old 08-11-2007, 11:00 PM
Sly_Fox Sly_Fox is offline
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If your only calling the 3-bet pf you can't not felt this here.
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Old 08-12-2007, 01:53 AM
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very standard

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This is the best way to play the hand, you're not folding post-flop and the pot is already pretty large, sticking your stack in is fine.
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Old 08-12-2007, 02:25 AM
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those saying you only get called by better, it's also important to consider that you might do this with, say, AK sometimes if you know he's 3betting light, then once he knows that's in your range for doing this he'll have to call more frequently with worse hands.
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