$3 Party - Bad for JJ

montagu · #1 08-10-2007, 05:27 PM

OK this is the 12th hand and the first hand I've played. No reads except its only $3 so lots of loose calling. How is my play here?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

SB (t1260)
BB (t6670)
UTG (t1930)
Hero (t1910)
MP2 (t1810)
CO (t1890)
Button (t4530)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to t400, 2 folds, Button calls t400, 1 fold, BB calls t300.

Flop: (t1250) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t800, Button calls t800, BB calls t800.

Turn: (t3650) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets t800, BB raises to t1600, Hero folds.

Played again I would raise to 250 preflop. My idea was to try to get rid of the weak As and Ks but a larger than usual raise because of likelihood of callers. In retrospect a 250 raise would probably have had the same effect while not building the pot too big in case overcards come on the flop.

I cbet the flop 800 to take it down and avoid giving a free card to the flush draw. When called by both villains I am certain I am beat.

PokahPokah · #2 08-10-2007, 06:10 PM

as said i raise to t250 , bad flop get rid of those deadly hooks

ymu · #3 08-10-2007, 06:30 PM

c-betting this flop is deadly with your stack size - especially against two opponents.

19BB is an ugly stack size. It's a bit too deep to push preflop - although if the blinds are about to go up I might.

Raise 2.5x and be prepared to let it go easily on a bad flop. With one caller for a smaller raise you might just squeeze a c-bet in without crippling your stack. With two callers, just let it go.

Cixelsyd23 · #4 08-10-2007, 07:48 PM

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c-betting this flop is deadly with your stack size - especially against two opponents.

19BB is an ugly stack size. It's a bit too deep to push preflop - although if the blinds are about to go up I might.

Raise 2.5x and be prepared to let it go easily on a bad flop. With one caller for a smaller raise you might just squeeze a c-bet in without crippling your stack. With two callers, just let it go.

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my thinking also...too likely one has KQ or even a random K-x, save your chips

darks · #5 08-10-2007, 08:00 PM

I agree. It's too deep for push, but if blinds are about to go up, i'd push...

Flop is too ugly with that K. And one of the callers sure has one. Check and fold if someone puts in a big bet!

On the other hand, i don't agree with 2.5BB blinds raise. I'd also make it 3-5 BB. 2.5 i sometimes raise with an aces, or kings, when i want callers...

chuckpalms04 · #6 08-10-2007, 08:22 PM

i don't like c-betting into 2 opponents when i don't flop TP or an overpair, just c/fold here. i like making it 300 preflop and i don't like resizing my my bets til L5, 75-150.. just a personal preference thing.

ymu · #7 08-10-2007, 08:29 PM

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On the other hand, i don't agree with 2.5BB blinds raise. I'd also make it 3-5 BB. 2.5 i sometimes raise with an aces, or kings, when i want callers...

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The bigger raise doesn't work with this stack size. The difficult thing with this hand is that you do not really have enough chips to see the hand through to begin with - and definitely not when you get two callers. Raising more doesn't change this. The size of the raise doesn't have much of an effect on FE in this situation - if they'll fold for 3.5 they'll fold for 2.5.

If you meant 3 to 5 and not 3.5, and you're actually considering raising 5x here, you might as well push preflop instead and maximise FE whilst negating the problems of playing JJ post-flop with a small stack.

If you only raise smaller than 3x with AA/KK, you're going to become pretty transparent to your more observant opponents. It's horribly obvious when someone does this.