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Old 08-10-2007, 04:08 AM
Yoshi63 Yoshi63 is offline
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Default Deep in 11r - AKo facing standard open... NO READS!

VERY FIRST hand at table after getting moved. Don't recognize a single player, so absolutely no reads on anyone.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t6000 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button (t107400)
SB (t38446)
BB (t206561)
UTG (t266769)
UTG+1 (t125077)
MP1 (t138452)
MP2 (t146184)
Hero (t268969)
CO (t238056)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 raises to t18000, Hero raises to t44444, 4 folds, MP2 calls t26444.

Flop: (t93088) T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets t48000, Hero...?


Comments on both pre-flop and flop (as played) much appreciated.
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Old 08-10-2007, 04:47 AM
Mcmatto Mcmatto is offline
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Default Re: Deep in 11r - AKo facing standard open... NO READS!

you have to fold here.. You still have a monster stack so no reason to do anything stupid here. You can deffinately find a place to get your money in better here.

Preflop i think i rasie a little more just to get him so he either pushes or folds, both of which would be great for us. I feel he has a hand like queens here alot. he may of also flat called your raise with kk or aa here.

Hes betting almost half his stack into you on this flop when u should aggression, he isnt doing this with air.
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Old 08-10-2007, 05:58 AM
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Default Re: Deep in 11r - AKo facing standard open... NO READS!

Raise more PF. I make it 60k and tell him that we are playing for his whole stack.
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Old 08-10-2007, 06:22 AM
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Default Re: Deep in 11r - AKo facing standard open... NO READS!

Raise to 70k PF, get it in no matter what, holla.
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Old 08-10-2007, 06:07 PM
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Default Re: Deep in 11r - AKo facing standard open... NO READS!

The raise was too small on accident. I agree that I should've raised more, although I'm not sure 60/70k is ideal. I was thinking something closer to a 3x (54k).

As far as post flop...

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.706% 32.90% 05.81% 25405 4484.00 { AcKh }
Hand 1: 61.294% 55.49% 05.81% 42847 4484.00 { TT+, AKs, AJs-ATs, KJs+, QJs, AKo, AJo-ATo, KJo+, QJo }


Thoughts?
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Old 08-10-2007, 06:38 PM
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Default Re: Deep in 11r - AKo facing standard open... NO READS!

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As far as post flop...

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.706% 32.90% 05.81% 25405 4484.00 { AcKh }
Hand 1: 61.294% 55.49% 05.81% 42847 4484.00 { TT+, AKs, AJs-ATs, KJs+, QJs, AKo, AJo-ATo, KJo+, QJo }

Thoughts?

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Well...villain is going nowhere. I treat this as if he shoved right away. We are getting 2:1 on the call and against this range you can't fold here.
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Old 08-10-2007, 06:45 PM
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Default Re: Deep in 11r - AKo facing standard open... NO READS!

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As far as post flop...

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.706% 32.90% 05.81% 25405 4484.00 { AcKh }
Hand 1: 61.294% 55.49% 05.81% 42847 4484.00 { TT+, AKs, AJs-ATs, KJs+, QJs, AKo, AJo-ATo, KJo+, QJo }

Thoughts?

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Well...villain is going nowhere. I treat this as if he shoved right away. We are getting 2:1 on the call and against this range you can't fold here.

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Right. Even if he somehow does fold, I think it would be incorrect with just about ATC if he knew what I held. So treating as him shoving flop seems fine to me.

Do you agree w/ my range though? I even included JJ/TT, and I'm not certain those hands would even bet into PFR (me) here.
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Old 08-10-2007, 06:45 PM
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Default Re: Deep in 11r - AKo facing standard open... NO READS!

yoshi what calculator are you using to get those stats?

It's interesting how later in tourneys during HU flops that the advantage of position of acting last is replaced with the advantage of who can stab first.
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Old 08-10-2007, 06:46 PM
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Default Re: Deep in 11r - AKo facing standard open... NO READS!

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yoshi what calculator are you using to get those stats?

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pokerstove.
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Old 08-10-2007, 06:58 PM
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Default Re: Deep in 11r - AKo facing standard open... NO READS!

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Do you agree w/ my range though?

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It's maybe a bit too wide for calling 30% of the stack PF. I've tightened it up a bit and it now is an instacall

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.655% 35.06% 08.60% 18395 4511.00 { AcKh }
Hand 1: 56.345% 47.75% 08.60% 25053 4511.00 { TT+, AKs, AJs, KJs+, QJs, AJo+ }

I think it doesn't matter how you change the range here, you are never worse than a 2:1 dog.
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