finding a bias on a roulette wheel online

the_casino_kid · #1 08-08-2007, 02:42 AM

assuming that most sites random generators are semi flawed (which I believe they are), i wonder if a tracker could datamine 500k spins and find whether certain #s are giving different values then others in the long run..i would gamble that this is very possible, feel free to shoot me down if you think im out of my mind..

kyleparks · #2 08-08-2007, 03:49 AM

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assuming that most sites random generators are semi flawed (which I believe they are), i wonder if a tracker could datamine 500k spins and find whether certain #s are giving different values then others in the long run..i would gamble that this is very possible, feel free to shoot me down if you think im out of my mind..

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well lets say their number generators are flawed and aliens exist. and so on.

do you think this will make up for the 4.5% house edge? i dont think this is possible.

SheetWise · #3 08-08-2007, 10:19 AM

The RNG's used by online casinos, from my experience, use physical properties to generate random numbers. They're not like the pseudo RNG's in your PC -- they do not use seeds or data tables, so do not follow any predictable repeating patterns.

skitzo444 · #4 08-08-2007, 10:19 AM

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assuming that most sites random generators are semi flawed (which I believe they are), i wonder if a tracker could datamine 500k spins and find whether certain #s are giving different values then others in the long run..i would gamble that this is very possible, feel free to shoot me down if you think im out of my mind..

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well lets say their number generators are flawed and aliens exist. and so on.

do you think this will make up for the 4.5% house edge? i dont think this is possible.

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There wouldn't be a house edge if he could find a number that came up more than random probability dictates.

the_casino_kid · #5 08-08-2007, 01:55 PM

well since you can't really create 'random' then there would have to be some kind of bias i'd assume...it would be at least interesting to build a database and see ...if it didnt work then whatever but if it did it could be profitable. and the whole point of finding a bias is killing the house edge and finding numbers with a positive ev..

the_casino_kid · #6 08-08-2007, 01:56 PM

there are also lots of sites with a single zero instead of a double zero so the house edge is smaller on those ..

SheetWise · #7 08-08-2007, 07:04 PM

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... well since you can't really create 'random' then there would have to be some kind of bias i'd assume...

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You can generate random numbers -- much more random electronically than in a casino. There may be bias in a casino wheel -- but I doubt the wheel has enough bias to compromise the game. Then there's the procedures which can be exploited. That can be enough -- given the right circumstances.

But ... online the selection is truly random. The images are simply representing a predetermined random outcome.

You'd have much better luck with B&M casinos. Probably not enough, but better.

stigmata · #8 08-09-2007, 10:32 AM

radioactive decay

Photoc · #9 08-09-2007, 06:16 PM

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... well since you can't really create 'random' then there would have to be some kind of bias i'd assume...

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You can generate random numbers -- much more random electronically than in a casino.

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No, you can't. Random means just that, random. If you have some physicaly entity creating the numbers, it's not 100% random. It just appears that way.

UprightCreature · #10 08-09-2007, 07:31 PM

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... well since you can't really create 'random' then there would have to be some kind of bias i'd assume...

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You can generate random numbers -- much more random electronically than in a casino.

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No, you can't. Random means just that, random. If you have some physicaly entity creating the numbers, it's not 100% random. It just appears that way.

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Actually we don't live in a world governed by classical mechanics. The measurement of quantum mechanical systems are in fact probabilistic events that can in turn be used to generate random sets of numbers. Bell's Theorem rules out reasonable hidden variable theories that would allow for the observations of quantum mechanics to be explained by deterministic classical mechanics.