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Old 08-08-2007, 05:21 AM
sakrei sakrei is offline
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Default 50NL 9Td hand

ok um villian: 15/6/2 calls c-bet about 45% of time, i think i just check turn but i wasnt expecting a raise here... he has check raised in the past, about 2/15 times. thoughts? btw hes at almost all my tables (6)
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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

SB ($94.30)
BB ($60.70)
UTG ($29)
UTG+1 ($31.25)
MP1 ($12.60)
Hero ($66.55)
CO ($21.80)
Button ($72.15)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls $1.75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($4.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, SB calls $3.

Turn: ($10.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $6</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $13</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $22.50
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Old 08-08-2007, 05:26 AM
Burdzthewurd Burdzthewurd is offline
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Default Re: 50NL 9Td hand

Doesn't seem like he'd have a full here (I generally think most nits re-pop KK OOP, 22 maybe), but you're getting over 4:1 here and only 3:1 against Kx, seems like a peel here.
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Old 08-08-2007, 09:58 AM
Javanewt Javanewt is offline
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Default Re: 50NL 9Td hand

I don't mind the way you played it, but I think I'd have to see another card. It's hard to believe he has a full house, but that small raise does beg for you to call. If my diamond came on the river, I'd probably play it safe and check behind or call a reasonable bet, but only because I'm a chicken.

If my T came, I'd be in trouble. Stupid, because if he has a flush beat now, he can probably beat tens full, unless he played something ridiculous like K2.

Has he seen you fold to check-raises?
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Old 08-08-2007, 11:17 AM
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Default Re: 50NL 9Td hand

check the turn
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Old 08-08-2007, 11:20 AM
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Default Re: 50NL 9Td hand

Check the turn usually.
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Old 08-08-2007, 11:46 AM
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Default Re: 50NL 9Td hand

Your hand on the turn is too big to fold, but too small to take heat. Id have checked behind and judged him on the river (basically your hand has improved to the point it wants to see fifth).

As played, id normally peel the river and fold if unimproved because i expect to see Kx most of the time here. You cant put him on T2 or K2 because he is too tight (it seems) and i cant see any scenario where he plays 22 or KK like this - not enough for me to view it as a concern.

If there were better reads or this was a higher buy in then i can see a fold here, but at 50nl your outs are good way too often here to fold. Plus if he has something like A2 (which id say is the top end of his range) you still have 10 outs.

Your charge is 7 for a 29.50 pot or 4.2:1 - which means your getting the correct odds to call, improve then just call his river bet if you so wish.
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Old 08-08-2007, 11:51 AM
RyanCMU RyanCMU is offline
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Default Re: 50NL 9Td hand

You really need to check the turn here. Bet/folding hands like this is bad practice. You want to see a river here, so either you have to bet/call the turn, or c/c the turn, and I think c/c'ing the turn is best.
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Old 08-08-2007, 12:06 PM
KurtSF KurtSF is offline
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Default Re: 50NL 9Td hand

I don't believe for a minute that he's full here. I think a T or a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] will win this for you. I call.
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Old 08-08-2007, 01:10 PM
CazicT CazicT is offline
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Default Re: 50NL 9Td hand

Check/call, check/raise is a monster. Especially a min. raise.

15/6 doesn't call PF with KT, so that is out. AA and KK are definetly possible. People who don't think so are imposing there own playing style on the villian.

AA would be OK since we can beat that if our draw comes in. KK obv. we are drawing dead. AK is probably OK too, though he might steal a few outs.

To me, this river could go wrong in so many ways and right in only a few ways. I realise we are being giving great odds, but I still think I might just let it go. We will never feel comfortable on the river and thus never hit the jackpot. We will lose alot sometimes, lose a little sometimes, and win a little sometimes. We will never win alot.
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Old 08-08-2007, 02:21 PM
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Default Re: 50NL 9Td hand

Wow. Why are you folding here? Im calling or 3-betting here big time.
Your read is he likes to check raise you, and he is doing it again and you let him.
You are getting 4-1 on your call, and you ahead some of the time.
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