An absolutly WORLD CLASS play in my opinion......your thoughts please

[Gonso]

Andy wasn't described as super-tight, and decent players hardly need monster hands to bet or raise.

All I was saying is that if you give a decent player like Andy credit for raising 1 limper with 88 preflop (almost standard IMO), then him raising with QQ-99 preflop is also a possibility and has to be included in his range. Firing two barrels with less than 3rd set isn't unreasonable even with overcards. Plus, there's a lot of ways to make AK here which could account for this kind of action.

Why Andy bets as much as he does on the turn is a little beyond me, it seemed like he wanted this other guy to fold.

[gordongecko]

meh something similar happened to me with a flopped straight. I had 67s on the button, with a few limpers. flop comes 589 rainbow, I bet the pot, two callers. turn brings a 4, I bet the pot again, one fold, another caller. River brings a 10 (no flush card), I bet the pot, caller shoves the rest of his stack (I had him covered). I of course make the call, but I thought for a second, because I just had a feeling he had QJ. It didnt make sense on that flop, but I just knew it. I called, he flipped QJs over. Now if I would have folded there would that have made playing my hunch the correct move? I reloaded right away, and was otherwise happy a new fish found his way to this table. I can name a ton of these types of situations where I just had a feeling, and it would have held up, but I dont think I am making a -ev choice folding, unless it was live and I had a crazy live tell.

edit: also what more do you want to see here with a set of fours? An uncoordinated board in a large pot, with someone betting like they have a hand they cant get rid of. I mean unless there was a super live tell (and what kind of tell would show this, instead of maybe top two pair, or something), I could talk myself out of tons of hands, but this just doesnt seem like one of them.

[cynic757]

Sigh.... I still the guy made what was improbably but not impossibly a good lay down.

*NOTE Just because he was "right" doesn't make it a good lay down.

Results oriented hand analysis like this reminds me of a hand I played this weekend.

New player at the table makes it 4x BB from middle position. I call in the LP with Jacks and the big blind calls. Flop comes down J 10 2 rainbow and the big blind leads out for 40% of the pot. The original bettor folds.

After the hand the original preflop bettor proudly exclaims that he folded QUEENS. I tell him (rudely yes) that he's a retard if he folded queens there and he proceeds to explain that he put me on pocket 10's and was "only one off". Apparently he plays alot of live poker and "you see, online poker is very situational". So I say: "Situational, like this situation where I would call there preflop with AK or ANY pair and you weak/tight fold your overpair to a 40% pot donk bet?" (We were all 3 100 BB deep btw)

Was this also a world class lay down? I mean, after all he was right.

[wilneedheart]

This comment seems to be a contradiction, like: "well, your honor, I was coming home from gym driving my car in a bus walking riding a donkey when...

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"Situational, like this situation where I would call there preflop with AK or ANY pair and..."

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If it is a situation it is either/or, not both and...

It seems to me that if you "would call there preflop with AK or ANY pair..." etc. etc. then you are not involved in a "situation" at all, but are instead spinning webs of pseudo-theory.

It is difficult to talk to someone when their feet are floating somewhere just above your head. When you come down to earth I hope it is not with too hard a bump, maybe some soft grass or perhaps Jennifer Tilley's bosoms...

[cynic757]

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This comment seems to be a contradiction, like: "well, your honor, I was coming home from gym driving my car in a bus walking riding a donkey when...

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"Situational, like this situation where I would call there preflop with AK or ANY pair and..."

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If it is a situation it is either/or, not both and...

It seems to me that if you "would call there preflop with AK or ANY pair..." etc. etc. then you are not involved in a "situation" at all, but are instead spinning webs of pseudo-theory.

It is difficult to talk to someone when their feet are floating somewhere just above your head. When you come down to earth I hope it is not with too hard a bump, maybe some soft grass or perhaps Jennifer Tilley's bosoms...

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Um. Ok?

NH. Well played. DUCY?

The situation:

He raised in middle position and I called in LP. I could have several hands here and yet he put me on ONE of them before I even acted on the flop.

If you need any additional help understanding the pseudo-theory behind why that is ridiculous you can ask me. Perhaps I'll take time to come down to where you are to readdress the issue.

[wilneedheart]

I am down in the trenches. Where are you?

I did not say he was ridiculous; I couldn't care less about his play. You are just upset because he laid down the second best hand. I said you were ridiculous. Because what you called a 'situation' is not a situation at all. A situation is something that involves a lot more than abstract calculations (although it can involve these too). When your high school maths teacher says "here children, solve these problems" you don't think the 'problems' are anything to do with the real world, do you?

Sorry if you think I am being rude...

[cynic757]

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I am down in the trenches. Where are you?

I did not say he was ridiculous; I couldn't care less about his play. You are just upset because he laid down the second best hand. I said you were ridiculous. Because what you called a 'situation' is not a situation at all. A situation is something that involves a lot more than abstract calculations (although it can involve these too). When your high school maths teacher says "here children, solve these problems" you don't think the 'problems' are anything to do with the real world, do you?

Sorry if you think I am being rude...

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I think the technical term is 'trolling'.

sit·u·a·tion /ˌsɪtʃuˈe&# 618;ʃən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sich-oo-ey-shuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. manner of being situated; location or position with reference to environment: The situation of the house allowed for a beautiful view.
2. a place or locality.
3. condition; case; plight: He is in a desperate situation.
4. the state of affairs; combination of circumstances: The present international situation is dangerous.
5. a position or post of employment; job.
6. a state of affairs of special or critical significance in the course of a play, novel, etc.
7. Sociology. the aggregate of biological, psychological, and sociocultural factors acting on an individual or group to condition behavioral patterns.

So you're being nitty about the definition of situation when you clearly don't even understand the usage.

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"here children, solve these problems" you don't think the 'problems' are anything to do with the real world, do you?

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What in the holy hell are you talking about? I'm missing the connection here.

[da_fume]

This thread is the best. I now know several posters to automatically disregard when they post.

[skin city]

EDIT: A friend just mentioned that he thinks the Horseshoe is gone and I wiki'd it... is there another Horseshoe in Vegas besides the one that closed and became Binions Gambling Hall a couple of years ago?

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the "old binions horseshoe" was bought out by harrahs a couple years back. harrahs had to drop the "horseshoe" because the binion family still owns other casinos across the country that carry the "horseshoe" trademark. It is now called "Binions Gambling Hall"
however some of the people that have been playing there for years, still call it the "horseshoe"....it a hard habit to break i guess......(contrary to popular belief, it is not owned by the binion family, even though it still carries the name)
*also* Harrahs only bought the casino to aquire the rights to the World Series of Poker......