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Old 08-06-2007, 07:42 AM
Arctic Arctic is offline
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Default Getting raised on paired flop

I feel that some villains love bluff raising my flop c-bets on paired flop when they have position. I dont really know how to deal with them...

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $10.90
BB: $12.70
UTG: $13.90
CO: $17.25
BTN: $10.35

Preflop: Hero is dealt 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
2 folds, CO calls $0.10, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.30</font>, CO calls $0.20
Uncalled bet of $0.00 returned to CO

Flop: ($0.60) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $0.40</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $1.80</font>, Hero folds

Theres a good chance villain has king ...So I let it go.
Too weak?

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $10.20
BB: $12.70
UTG: $13.90
CO: $17.85
BTN: $10.35

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
2 folds, BTN calls $0.10, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.40</font>, BB folds, BTN calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.90) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $0.70</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $2.20</font>, Hero calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.30) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $2.00</font>, BTN folds

I feel that I am getting bluff-raised here ALOT, Hes range could be anything...pocket pair, flush/straight draw, overcards, etc..
I call and lead the blank turn ready to fold if raised.
Bet/fold turn and check/call river here?
Is it ok?

Should I consired c-betting full pot on paired boards?
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Old 08-06-2007, 08:52 AM
Kevan0 Kevan0 is offline
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Default Re: Getting raised on paired flop

Hand 1:
Raise more preflop, don't let him openlimp from the CO.

Hand 2:
Well played. He is probably on a flushdraw here. But here come in reads if you have any. Betting out the blank is good. (edit) Turn is a blank, so it would not have helped him. Why even bothering calling the flop, betting out if you plan on folding to a raise?

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Try to keep your cbets the same size so opponents can't pick up on that. You don't want someone to find out for instance that you bet full pot if you hit and half pot if you missed (tough this is an extreme example).
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Old 08-06-2007, 09:15 AM
Splossy Splossy is offline
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Default Re: Getting raised on paired flop

1. Usually raise more PF. I'd play it the same. There are quite a few hands you might fold by repping a K like that. But he raised you indicating he's not scared of the K.

2. People often raise CBs on boards like that. You are probably still ahead. I don't think reraising him on the flop will do anything other than folding worse hands or creating a large pot when he has a better hand. I'd sometimes check the turn to let him bluff the J but seeing as he might have been S/Bing a FD that is somewhat risky.
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Old 08-06-2007, 09:50 AM
corsakh corsakh is offline
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Default Re: Getting raised on paired flop

Hand 1 fold.

Hand 2 reraise before some scare card hits and ends your action.
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Old 08-06-2007, 09:58 AM
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Default Re: Getting raised on paired flop

$0.30 PF should be at least $0.50. There is nothing wrong with the fold IMO. Besides you posted no reads to discuss.

#2 The turn is a blank. Leading the turn now has more fold equity than your flop CB, so if your villian respects it more than standard CBs use this to your advantage and take notes.
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Old 08-06-2007, 10:47 AM
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Default Re: Getting raised on paired flop

i'd rather crai in hand 2
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Old 08-07-2007, 04:31 AM
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Default Re: Getting raised on paired flop

Why? Do you think you'll get called?
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Old 08-07-2007, 04:40 AM
RajHendon RajHendon is offline
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Default Re: Getting raised on paired flop

HAND 2:
Pre-flop action suggests that button is on low PPs i.e. he limped in. I would have folded his flop raise, therefore (me = a bit nitty).

To avoid these situations, raise more strongly QQ pre-flop.
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Old 08-07-2007, 06:08 AM
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Default Re: Getting raised on paired flop

[ QUOTE ]
HAND 2:
Pre-flop action suggests that button is on low PPs i.e. he limped in. I would have folded his flop raise, therefore (me = a bit nitty).

To avoid these situations, raise more strongly QQ pre-flop.

[/ QUOTE ]

???

So you're putting him on a house or quad 4s only?
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