NL200 Top Top Ugly board vs shortish stack

[paperboyNC]

I'd push the turn because I think there are some opponents that'll have hands like KQ, QJ, JT and will call hoping that you are either bluffing or that they hit one of their 6 river outs.

Those same hands will likely check/fold the river if they miss or push if they hit. You may also incorrectly fold the river if the king hits.

[Gipper]

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Bet/fold flop because you only beat AJ?

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I think we beat a lot more than AJ here. I think AXs is in play.

[Better Than U]

Anybody who has "top top" in their title deserves to lose. You gotta foldthe turn. The only thing you beat is JJ and you chope with AKs

[CalledDownLight]

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Anybody who has "top top" in their title deserves to lose. You gotta foldthe turn. The only thing you beat is JJ and you chope with AKs

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and KK has already spiked the case K on the river or something?

[blunty31]

So far I dont see 1 solid line for me 2 take? Call turn im pretty much commited on the river, push turn makes no sense, bet flop then fold 2 aggresion also seems really weak.

[effang]

I just call down. Stack sizes suck. No way you can get away anyways. Shoving is not good unless he's a donk. He's not calling a 3/bet PF AND betting this board with less than Axs+ TT+.

[Makonnen]

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Why would we want FE? FE is important when we have a draw and can push out made hands. This does not apply here.

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That's not true. FE applies anytime your bet can make a better hand fold--it is most commonly applied to draws, but it also applies to other situations.

In any case, explain to me why a call is better than a shove here?

[effang]

what better hand will fold here? you're kidding right? AQ is not folding. KJ is obviously not folding. TT no, QQ, no, AA, no.

maybe once in a blue moon, if stacks were 150+bb, AQ might fold, but that's about it.

[D.L.M.]

that mother [censored] said top top [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

[blunty31]

LoL only reason i posted the hand was 4 an excuse to say top top