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Old 08-05-2007, 09:07 PM
andrew484 andrew484 is offline
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Default NL25 AQ makes trips on flop

I'm not sure how to play this hand. I think I should have 3-bet preflop, but villain is 17/9. What should I do here? AK seems like the most likely holding for the villain given his stats and the fact that he is UTG, although he might have AJ or AT. Thoughts?

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $23.55
BB: $25.00
UTG: $28.50
Hero (CO): $36.05
BTN: $34.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1.00</font>, Hero calls $1.00, 3 folds

Flop: ($2.35) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $1.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $10.50</font>, Hero calls $4.50

Turn: ($23.35) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets all-in for $17.00</font>, Hero ...
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Old 08-05-2007, 09:24 PM
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Default Re: NL25 AQ makes trips on flop

Looking at the turn push, it seems to me like he's trying to get value out of other aces. cant see him playing AJ like this.
I was going to say we can fold to the turn push, but the flop minraise is almost never to make us fold.

thoughts ?

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Old 08-05-2007, 09:27 PM
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Default Re: NL25 AQ makes trips on flop

I wouldn't 3-bet a 17/9 who raises from UTG when I have AQ.

Why do you raise the flop? There's no draw and you don't get value from worse hands. (Btw I think the flopraise is very big)

I wouldn't call this turnbet.
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Old 08-05-2007, 10:11 PM
shyturtle27 shyturtle27 is offline
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Default Re: NL25 AQ makes trips on flop

Well, depending on the amount of hands I have on the guy would determine a 3-bet for me preflop. If he's 17/9 over 50 hands or less then I'd 3-bet, but if it's over many more hands then you can be confident in how tight he really is UTG in which case I'd call with AQo. Your raise on flop is large. I'd call the flop lead and get aggressive on the turn. He's probably got AJ, AQ, or AK. Maybe ATs, but I seriously doubt it (again depending on the sample size). It's about 50-50 if I'm doing the equity calculation right. It's tough, but I think I'd commit here on the flop or turn.
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Old 08-05-2007, 10:21 PM
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Default Re: NL25 AQ makes trips on flop

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I wouldn't 3-bet a 17/9 who raises from UTG when I have AQ.

Why do you raise the flop? There's no draw and you don't get value from worse hands. (Btw I think the flopraise is very big)

I wouldn't call this turnbet.

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If he has AJ or AT, he's definitely not folding them.
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Old 08-05-2007, 10:47 PM
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Default Re: NL25 AQ makes trips on flop

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If he has AJ or AT, he's definitely not folding them.

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Seriously? If I have AT and get raised on the flop what must I think he has? A9? KK that gets crazy?
I would call a raise with AT but that's probably the max.
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Old 08-05-2007, 10:58 PM
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Default Re: NL25 AQ makes trips on flop

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If he has AJ or AT, he's definitely not folding them.

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Seriously? If I have AT and get raised on the flop what must I think he has? A9? KK that gets crazy?
I would call a raise with AT but that's probably the max.

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What good people do and what your average 50NLer do have quite a chasm between them in the (brief) time I spent at that level.
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Old 08-05-2007, 11:03 PM
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Default Re: NL25 AQ makes trips on flop

You're getting 2.5-1 to call this and you want to fold? He showed a lot of strength, but you all act like AJ, AT, maybe A9 aren't playing it the exact same way. I think you are at worst 50/50 to win this hand, so I'd call.
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Old 08-05-2007, 11:16 PM
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Default Re: NL25 AQ makes trips on flop

Funny... if you put him on AK, AJ, a rare A4 and A2 and KK going crazy, then you're 65% to win.

If you think he has AK or AJ it's 50/50.

Easy call then.
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Old 08-05-2007, 11:22 PM
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Default Re: NL25 AQ makes trips on flop

I seriously wouldn´t raise the flop and I would dump it after his 3bet. How is this not always 44 or AK? I doubt AJ or AT even is in his pf range UTG. Villain is sure Hero has an A and that nobody folds trip aces ever.
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