KK 1020 paired board turns tricky river.

[Heyway]

Bet/fold is what I would have done. Somewhere around 900-1100, maybe less if you're sure that he wont bluffraise you. He might very well have you beat, 33/77 and A3S are all possible but also 65, 54 and 88-JJ if he's a station. If you decide to check, I think you should fold to a bet.

[Sasuke]

In the spirit of streamlining/playing unexploitable I pushed for PSB. Im not sure I like betting 1000 into 2000 and folding for 1000 more into 5000 - I know I could run over a villian who did that against myself. Against this guy I think a c/f would have been optimal though as I doubt he will ever bet 88-JJ. This time he had 77 though for a nice gutter.

[TheWorstPlayer]

he'll never bet 88-JJ. but he will call with them every time. I like the push.

[Sasuke]

TWP: Ok... my c/f oppinion might be result oriented then. thanks for the input.

[Terkman]

Why do you have troubles betting 900ish and folding for 1100 more? Do you really think this guy is capable of turning 88-JJ into a bluff here? I am a huge station and have no problems folding vs this opponent if raised on the river.

[Sasuke]

Would you also fold trips or str8 to a push then ?

[Tiger_Kid]

^^^^^ Not necessarily. I don't know this opponent, but if he's the type to push trips, 8-high straight, or an overpair in this case, then absolutely. Having the trips or the straight increases some of the hands you can beat.
If he's the type, he could be calling all the way down with aces, planning to value bet on the river (until that awful card showed up).

if you're straight is 8-high here, he'll call with 77-AA, trips, or any 7-high straight (a7 suited a possibility?), and raise with most hands that beat your straight. In that case, it's better to make a value bet instead of risking a check/check on the river, since he'd need a full house to make that raise.

Back to KK, if he's holding 88-JJ (and, yes, sometimes QQ), you're winning either way. If he's playing small pairs and caught his set, you're losing a lot of money anyway. If that's a strong possibility you're goal is to keep the pot small.

If he's not likely to bluff on the river, you'll get more information by checking and seeing how much he bets (if at all).

I'm pretty tired, so if I probably missed some finer points here and there. feel free to rail on me, I won't take it personally. it's how we learn to play better [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]


edit: it's worth remembering that he smooth-called on the button. He could have a number of drawing hands or overpairs.

in the end, I value bet every time. If he raises, it will depend entirely on my feel of the situation at the time whether or not I make the call.

[Terkman]

I know the opponent and he don't bluffraises or turn maid hands into bluffs. I would also fold trips to a river raise yes.

[bigt439]

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In the spirit of streamlining/playing unexploitable I pushed for PSB. Im not sure I like betting 1000 into 2000 and folding for 1000 more into 5000 - I know I could run over a villian who did that against myself.

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i doubt it... its not very exploitable...

not saying i would do it, but saying youd run over a villain who did is pretty silly...