Poker Hand XML - Page 17

mikechops · #**161** 08-02-2007, 05:48 PM

I don't see the harm in having an optional attribute for player reads. I don't think anybody is proposing making this mandatory. All rvg is saying is that he will want to add player reads/notes for some hnads and he would like to get agreement on the best way to do this. My understanding of xml is limited but if a parser is expecting :-

<seat id="7" name="koraaf" stack="359.8" active="true" ante="0"/>

it should not break if it gets:-

<seat id="7" name="koraaf" stack="359.8" active="true" ante="0" read = "85/40/0.1 DONKEY!"/>

The advantage of specifying at this point how reads should be stored, is that anyone writing an application using rvg's reads will also be able to take advantage of anybody else's app that exported reads in the same standard.

Like I said I don't know much about xml and if we would have to include a blank field for players with no read data, then I withdraw everything I just said.

I'm kinda sympathetic to Shoe Lace's memory concerns. I'd like a won/loss summary mainly because I think it is a good check to make sure both the xml convertor and the app reading the xml output have performed correctly. But if we implement it there's no need to have a separate summary section. Can't we just add a field to the player info at the start of the hand.

We'd have:-

<seat id="7" name="koraaf" stack="359.8" active="true" ante="0" won="-10.8"/>

That shouldn't be more than 100 bytes added for a 9 player game.

mikechops · #**162** 08-02-2007, 05:54 PM

Also I'd prefer a dll over a standalone convertor - perhaps a shell convertor with all the work being done in a .dll?

Someone mentioned C# being an option and .net being pretty good. Does C# require the user to have the .net framework? If so that's a moderately sized negative IMO and I'd prefer a c/c++ solution.

rvg72 · #**163** 08-02-2007, 06:05 PM

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Also I'd prefer a dll over a standalone convertor - perhaps a shell convertor with all the work being done in a .dll?

Someone mentioned C# being an option and .net being pretty good. Does C# require the user to have the .net framework? If so that's a moderately sized negative IMO and I'd prefer a c/c++ solution.

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a dll is definately what is needed. I offered a stand alone converter for any sites I support just to help out people looking to integrate and needing samples of PokerHand xml based on a particular hand history - maybe it isn't even useful but it is there if anyone wants to use it. This would be provided as a C# app.

c/C++ is probably ideal due to the framework being required for c# like you mentioned. The code to take a hand history and turn it into pokerhand xml is pretty simple - it is figuring out every tiny little deviation and exception to a particular sites hand history output that is a bit of a pain.

rvg

chipwiz · #**164** 08-02-2007, 06:09 PM

A web-based convertor would be nice to. A convertor as a web-service would be really nice.

TSchauenberg · #**165** 08-02-2007, 06:46 PM

I suggest not using floats/doubles for amounts and simply use the lowest currency unit. For example in dollars, everything would be expressed in pennies.

TSchauenberg · #**166** 08-02-2007, 06:49 PM

In my experience it has been much better to have a Precards round which deals with all the actions before the cards are dealt. In Hold'em games this corresponds to antes, blinds, and posts. In Stud games this corresponds to antes.

abort · #**167** 08-02-2007, 10:30 PM

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I suggest not using floats/doubles for amounts and simply use the lowest currency unit. For example in dollars, everything would be expressed in pennies.

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This seems very interesting and probably proper suggestion. I understand if application uses float numbers then all over the place amounts like 24.52 often would become 24.51999999 and 11.5 become 11.4999999 . So it is much clearer always to have integers 2452 and 1150 in pennies. And to have it in application this way from the very beginning -- from HH itself, without any overhead conversion.

abort · #**168** 08-02-2007, 11:37 PM

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In my experience it has been much better to have a Precards round which deals with all the actions before the cards are dealt. In Hold'em games this corresponds to antes, blinds, and posts. In Stud games this corresponds to antes.

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Conceptually this looks clean. Because antes, blinds and posts are the obligatory actions over which players do not have control. ( If/after they choosed to be in the game. )

MuppetBingo · #**169** 08-03-2007, 01:56 AM

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Just one thing I would prefer the posting of antes to be an pre-flop action just as the posting of the blinds.

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I had that in the earlier drafts [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img], but I actually agree, conceptually antes and blinds seem like the same sort of things.

I like TSchauenberg's idea of a pre-deal round with blinds and antes.

MuppetBingo · #**170** 08-03-2007, 02:02 AM

Version 1.5

* Moved antes and blinds into a pre-deal round of their own (as per TSchauenberg's suggestion)

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>
<?xml version="1.0"?>
<pokerxml>
<cashgame>
<cashgamecontext site="Pacific Poker" online="true" currency="USD"/>
<pokerhands>


<pokerhand id="157430484" timestamp="03 30 19:05:56 2007" gametype="holdem" bettingtype="nolimit" smallblind="2" bigblind="4">

<table id="Fuzzy Navel" seats="10" dealer="5">

<seat id="10" name="gmac84" stack="551.9" active="true" />
<seat id="4" name="regi111" stack="328.65" active="true" />
<seat id="5" name="musti455" stack="96.3" active="true" />
<seat id="7" name="koraaf" stack="359.8" active="true" />
<seat id="8" name="MuppetBingo" stack="400" active="true" />
<seat id="9" name="Ls1972" stack="262.97" active="true" />
</table>
<rounds>

<round order="0">
</deals>
<actions>



<action seat="4" type="post" amount="4"/>
<action seat="7" type="smallblind" amount="2"/>
<action seat="8" type="bigblind" amount="4"/>
</actions>
</round>


<round order="1">

<deals>

<deal seat="4" open="false">
<cards>
<card value="8" suit="s"/>
<card value="9" suit="c"/>
</cards>
</deal>
</deals>
<actions>



<action seat="9" type="fold"/>
<action seat="10" type="fold"/>
<action seat="4" type="check"/>
<action seat="5" type="call" amount="4"/>
<action seat="7" type="call" amount="2"/>
<action seat="8" type="check"/>
</actions>
</round>
<round order="2">
<deals>

<deal open="true">
<cards>
<card value="9" suit="s"/>
<card value="a" suit="c"/>
<card value="a" suit="s"/>
</cards>
</deal>
</deals>
<actions>
<action seat="7" type="check"/>
<action seat="8" type="bet" amount="4"/>
<action seat="4" type="fold"/>
<action seat="5" type="call" amount="4"/>
<action seat="7" type="fold"/>
</actions>
</round>
<round order="3">
<deals>
<deal open="true">
<cards>
<card value="a" suit="h"/>
</cards>
</deal>
</deals>
<actions>
<action seat="8" type="check"/>
<action seat="5" type="bet" amount="4"/>
<action seat="8" type="raise" amount="392"/>
<action seat="5" type="call" amount="84.3"/>
</actions>
</round>
<round order="4">
<deals>
<deal open="true">
<cards>
<card value="q" suit="h"/>
</cards>
</deal>
</deals>
<actions>

</actions>
</round>
</rounds>
<result>
<hands>

<hand seat="5">
<cards>
<card value="k" suit="d"/>
<card value="9" suit="d"/>
</cards>
</hand>
<hand seat="8">
<cards>
<card value="8" suit="s"/>
<card value="9" suit="c"/>
</cards>
</hand>
</hands>

<pots rake="4" jackpot="0">

<pot>
<collect seat="5" amount="98.3"/>
<collect seat="8" amount="98.3"/>
</pot>

<pot>
<collect seat="8" amount="303.7"/>
</pot>
</pots>
</result>

</pokerhand>
</pokerhands>
</cashgame>
<tournament currency="USD" buyin="10" vig="10" id="123123" name="150K Guaranteed">
<pokerhands>

</pokerhands>
<tournamentresult>

</tournamentresult>
</tournament>
</pokerxml>
</pre><hr />