Because its a TAG, I don't fold ($50 Full Tilt)

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i think "set or air" is a strange and bad read; sets are really unlikely and it doesn't feel like air either, i mean he's making it pretty easy for you to call him down with something like middle pair.


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How is a set really unlikely in this spot???

[ilya]

I'd be a little worried about 44/A8/A4 but would think I was best most of the time against a lone 8, a flush draw, Axs, or maybe even a lone 4. He may be a TAG overall but this is a blind battle and as such I think he's more likely than normal to bet and call light. I'd probably call and lead turn and if he calls lead again on the river. If he raises again on the turn I probably do let it go.

NL50 is towards the lower end of what I've been playing recently so maybe I'm overestimating how often he'll 3-bet with 88/44/AT/AJ as ppl at NL100 and NL200 are more agressive.

[ilya]

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i think "set or air" is a strange and bad read; sets are really unlikely and it doesn't feel like air either, i mean he's making it pretty easy for you to call him down with something like middle pair.


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How is a set really unlikely in this spot???

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well i think AA and 88 re-raise almost always, so that's just 3 combos out of the many combos that fit with his line. ok sometimes AA and 88 flat-call, but 44 also sometimes re-raises.

[RunDownHouse]

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i actually like to make something along the lines of a min 4bet on the flop to find out i'm at in this situation.

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What, other than Ax, do you also min 3bet on the flop?

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i've seen this done by 2pr, set, FD, SD, the works.

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Sorry for the confusion, I meant what do you min 3bet here? Obviously a donk or TAGfish or whatever can do it with whatever, but you're the one in hero's shoes advocating a min 3bet.

[blackice781]

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i actually like to make something along the lines of a min 4bet on the flop to find out i'm at in this situation.

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What, other than Ax, do you also min 3bet on the flop?

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i've seen this done by 2pr, set, FD, SD, the works.

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Sorry for the confusion, I meant what do you min 3bet here? Obviously a donk or TAGfish or whatever can do it with whatever, but you're the one in hero's shoes advocating a min 3bet.

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i play donk-like against donk. they leave me no choice.

[relativity_x]

for those of you saying the bet 1/2pot turn and 2/3rd river is a bluff, I think you're wrong.

Villain probably has hero on AK/AQ and thinks he's going to stack off here. I put villain on set/two pair here 90% of the time with 10% being a busted FD.

I don't call the river.

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for those of you saying the bet 1/2pot turn and 2/3rd river is a bluff, I think you're wrong.

Villain probably has hero on AK/AQ and thinks he's going to stack off here. I put villain on set/two pair here 90% of the time with 10% being a busted FD.

I don't call the river.

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I posted results. It was a busted flush draw. Which, I think the player played it well. Though I think this is quite often how aggressive players will bet flush draws. I definitely considered folding. I just felt the odds were sufficient that he had a flush. And I really felt that the river bet felt like he wanted a fold.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

So you invested most of your stack with top pair weak kicker? Makes sense to me...

[relativity_x]

this is a bad call. you'll lose money in the long run making calls like this in the future.

[kurto]

I went with a read based on my views on that type of player and what I sensed based on the board and bet sizing. And my read was spot on.

I don't advocate always calling with one pair. I thought the point of posting was this to discuss arguments about why this might be the right move against the right opponents.

If a person is playing a hand like they have a draw and you have top pair, are you suggesting that you fold every time a person bets the river?