New PokerStars Data Policy - Page 8

DVaut1 · #71 08-02-2007, 09:03 AM

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it's actually better for people to know how much they are losing

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It's better off for both the gamblers and the gaming sites if players practice responsible gambling.

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I see no reason why it's 'better' for Stars to have losing players know how much they're losing, so long as 'better' means 'better for Stars' bottom line'.

There's a reason why casinos don't have windows or clocks, use chips instead of cash, and make no effort to inform their players of their ROI. I don't see why Stars is any different here.

Sactodian · #72 08-02-2007, 09:31 AM

I think stars is right on this one.

- The fish will never search up Sharkscope etc and ask to be deleted from their d-bases.
- As other stated not in Stars interest to show people's losses.
- This is personal information and shouldnt be made public, tax reasons, etc. It is in the interest of Stars and the individual. Only loser is the sharks but not in the long run, the games shouldnt be made more and more statical and analysed. Having PT etc is enough.

apefish · #73 08-02-2007, 09:38 AM

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There's a reason why casinos don't have windows or clocks, use chips instead of cash, and make no effort to inform their players of their ROI. I don't see why Stars is any different here.

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Taking away extra information that I actively seek out that is available to anyone who asks seems absurd.
Casinos don't prevent you from wearing a watch.

What's next? A find a player list you have to opt into?

We can call it Primastars.

BrandiFan · #74 08-02-2007, 09:42 AM

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From a personal standpoint, I won't be too upset if players like you leave my games

[/ QUOTE ]Agreed. And while it's nice for the ego to have someone be impressed at my stats, I'd rather have everyone think I am a donkey with no game.
I am a winning MTT and cash game player who was consistantly losing in SnGs until I learned about Sharkscope when some moron tried to convince me I was a losing player. Sure enough, I was losing. Now I am not, thanks dolt.
I am sure this happens to other people too where they decide to stop dumping upon finding these DBs. While I love to use these DBs to check an ROI and find the fish, I'd not be much of a poker player if I couldn't figure it out by playing with him.

Bakes · #75 08-02-2007, 11:06 AM

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I think stars is right on this one.

- The fish will never search up Sharkscope etc and ask to be deleted from their d-bases.
- As other stated not in Stars interest to show people's losses.
- This is personal information and shouldnt be made public, tax reasons, etc. It is in the interest of Stars and the individual. Only loser is the sharks but not in the long run, the games shouldnt be made more and more statical and analysed. Having PT etc is enough.

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I like this. screw the data collection!!! its just going to make good players better, zomg actual observation for the win. if you think that this stars policy is going to hurt you then you need to improve your game.

chuckpalms04 · #76 08-02-2007, 11:36 AM

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at SharkScope we are currently evaluating Pokerstars' proposed policy and considering its impact. We will make another statement in due course.

At the present time we have no plans to degrade our functionality with respect to searching data on PokerStars players as on initial reading we consider the policy unfeasible to adhere to.

In the past we have been the only site to offer any kind of user self blocking and this has been entirely voluntary on our part. We consider this system to be the perfect balance between those who want as much data as possible to increase their profitability and those that wish to have privacy.

Steve
SharkScope

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this is good to hear. also, the first thing that came to mind is that SS does have the ability to block yourself from searches, so simply, if you don't want your stats shown, you just click a button and it's done. it shouldn't be then further regulated by PS when the option is already available, and especially when a majority of the fish don't know anything about SS in the first place.

KneeCo · #77 08-02-2007, 12:23 PM

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Taking away extra information that I actively seek out that is available to anyone who asks seems absurd.
Casinos don't prevent you from wearing a watch.

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No one is preventing you from creating your own db at home.

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What's next? A find a player list you have to opt into?

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You can hide from the search, as well you should be able to.

Again, if we're voting, I for one 2want to see the dbs retain full access, but man these arguments that Stars is acting like some crazed Big Brother are silly.

Billy Bibbit · #78 08-02-2007, 12:49 PM

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- This is personal information and shouldnt be made public, tax reasons, etc. It is in the interest of Stars and the individual. Only loser is the sharks but not in the long run, the games shouldnt be made more and more statical and analysed. Having PT etc is enough.

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Well put. I find it funny that people are complaining that Stars doesn't serve every need of the 12-tabling HUDbots. Go ahead and play on Full Tilt we won't miss you.

It is my opinion that there's a line between tools that you use to analyze your play after the game (PokerTracker, SnGPT, PokerStove) and tools that perform calculations in real time (HUDs and searchable databases). I think the former should be allowed and the latter shouldn't be. I admit that I've used databases before because they are profitable, but just because it's good for me doesn't mean it's good for online poker as a whole.

jgunnip · #79 08-02-2007, 01:15 PM

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- This is personal information and shouldnt be made public, tax reasons, etc. It is in the interest of Stars and the individual. Only loser is the sharks but not in the long run, the games shouldnt be made more and more statical and analysed. Having PT etc is enough.

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Well put. I find it funny that people are complaining that Stars doesn't serve every need of the 12-tabling HUDbots. Go ahead and play on Full Tilt we won't miss you.

It is my opinion that there's a line between tools that you use to analyze your play after the game (PokerTracker, SnGPT, PokerStove) and tools that perform calculations in real time (HUDs and searchable databases). I think the former should be allowed and the latter shouldn't be. I admit that I've used databases before because they are profitable, but just because it's good for me doesn't mean it's good for online poker as a whole.

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QFT

I'm not worried about this affecting my bottom line. If anything it'll help b/c nothing tilts me more than some random idiot donk tard berating another player citing OPR or sharkscope stats.

odellthurman · #80 08-02-2007, 01:54 PM

Thepokerdb is one of my favorite sites on the net, and I love using it during mtts. I don't really have strong opinions one way or the other about the ethical implications. I just think it is fun to use, and it's open to whomever wants to use it, so I don't feel like I'm using some secret advantage. I hope thepokerdb people work something out with Stars.