JJ, lot of action

[JoeyJoJo Shabadu]

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ty for answers

I read somewhere: There are 3 ways of playing JJ. You can either call, raise or fold- and they are all wrong.

now I'm embarrassted, but whatever
here is the flop
what now?

PokerStars Game #11219694271: Tournament #56616903, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/07/30 - 15:14:30 (ET)
Table '56616903 51' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: famigerato (2970 in chips)
Seat 2: Tugaske (1750 in chips)
Seat 3: Huur (5450 in chips)
Seat 4: randyrockets (2780 in chips)
Seat 5: HERO (2860 in chips)
Seat 6: bigAl223 (3060 in chips)
Seat 7: lucasino (3195 in chips)
Seat 8: amarillion (1690 in chips)
Seat 9: acemaster68 (3205 in chips)
bigAl223: posts small blind 10
lucasino: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
amarillion: calls 20
acemaster68: raises 100 to 120
famigerato: folds
Tugaske: folds
Huur: calls 120
randyrockets: calls 120
HERO: raises 500 to 620
bigAl223: folds
lucasino: folds
amarillion: folds
acemaster68: calls 500
Huur: folds
randyrockets: calls 500
*** FLOP *** K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
acemaster68: bets 400
randyrockets: calls 400
HERO: ??

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None of us can help you now!

This is played now almost entirely read based from here on out.

And should it now be apparent that a 400 or 500 chip raise sucks? anyway... Do you have any FE left is the question. I think you need it.

Without any read at all, my gut however says that the 400 chip bet is a weak-ass bet, that randyrockets is a station, and that makes me want to shove my chips in the middle and down his throat following up our flop raise. GG me...

[RonFezBuddy]

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ty for answers

I read somewhere: There are 3 ways of playing JJ. You can either call, raise or fold- and they are all wrong.

now I'm embarrassted, but whatever
here is the flop
what now?

PokerStars Game #11219694271: Tournament #56616903, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/07/30 - 15:14:30 (ET)
Table '56616903 51' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: famigerato (2970 in chips)
Seat 2: Tugaske (1750 in chips)
Seat 3: Huur (5450 in chips)
Seat 4: randyrockets (2780 in chips)
Seat 5: HERO (2860 in chips)
Seat 6: bigAl223 (3060 in chips)
Seat 7: lucasino (3195 in chips)
Seat 8: amarillion (1690 in chips)
Seat 9: acemaster68 (3205 in chips)
bigAl223: posts small blind 10
lucasino: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
amarillion: calls 20
acemaster68: raises 100 to 120
famigerato: folds
Tugaske: folds
Huur: calls 120
randyrockets: calls 120
HERO: raises 500 to 620
bigAl223: folds
lucasino: folds
amarillion: folds
acemaster68: calls 500
Huur: folds
randyrockets: calls 500
*** FLOP *** K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
acemaster68: bets 400
randyrockets: calls 400
HERO: ??

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Ugh...stomach turning calls and flop. I hate JJ. I might be weak here but I just can't see continuing with this hand.

I can't see calling here because this hand will just get harder to play (and super expensive) on the turn and river unless you hit a magic J.

Shoving is an option if you think they are full of crap. But, is it worth your stack to test them? One player, maybe. Two players, I think not. Fold and keep 2k+ chips for a better spot.

[Cornell Fiji]

call and try to hit your 2 outer.

your call should look strong and might buy you two cards. Even if it does not the implied odds are there for you to spike your set. also, every once in a blue moon this hand will check down and you will be good.

pretty much can't fold for this puny bet in a big pot. you should have had a plan for a flop like this when you raised.

[LFC]

i dont know why but i wanst afraid of utg+1
that looks like -"do U have it?"
I was afraid of the guy in the middle
I pushed, utg folded, MP called with 45s and I won
unfortunatelly table broke down after this hand so i dont know what uth had. QQ? JJ?

but next time i only call PF for sure