beginer question kk raised pot A on flop

[crunchh]

sorry forgot to add starting chips 1500

[Cornell Fiji]

people don't fold after making a 5x raise on the first hand of a small buy in tournament.

shove pf.

as played you have 1 pot sized bet left. You need to win less than 1/3 of the time to make a call correct.

I call his flop bet, check behind on the turn, and shove the river (i guess a river check is also acceptable.)

[crunchh]

thank you for the advise

if I may ask another question if turn is a blank and he shove do i call ? maybe it is obvious but i am not sure

next time i shove too geeady maby

also another question

if position are inverted (say i am bb)

if I make a CB and he shove I call ?
if I make a CB and he call I shove turn ??

[Cornell Fiji]

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thank you for the advise

if I may ask another question if turn is a blank and he shove do i call ? maybe it is obvious but i am not sure

next time i shove too geeady maby

also another question

if position are inverted (say i am bb)

if I make a CB and he shove I call ?
if I make a CB and he call I shove turn ??

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Glad you asked follow up questions because my response was not thorough.

I said check behind the turn because he is always checking this turn. If he does bet then you have to call. What I am saying here is that pot odds are too good to not get your money in but if you shove outright then you might induce a fold from a hand that you beat and you will never get an ace to fold.

If the positions were reversed then you should check call every street.

Also, I suggested a pf shove because I think that your opponents will call. Shoving pf is more of a 'greedy' play then betting 500.

[steve1127]

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Glad you asked follow up questions because my response was not thorough.

I said check behind the turn because he is always checking this turn. If he does bet then you have to call. What I am saying here is that pot odds are too good to not get your money in but if you shove outright then you might induce a fold from a hand that you beat and you will never get an ace to fold.

If the positions were reversed then you should check call every street.

Also, I suggested a pf shove because I think that your opponents will call. Shoving pf is more of a 'greedy' play then betting 500.

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With 1500 starting stacks you think a raise to 100 pot-commits the initial raiser? At 10/20 blinds?

[crunchh]

a few more question if I may abuse your time and thank you for these advises

is a pf call ok with position while making a quick escape if an A flop loosing nearly nothing (hope I don t get trashed for suggesting that)

the pots odds are good but it will commit more or less all my chips no? I wonder how often I am beaten

I am too passive but I wouldn t bet without the ace or mabe KQ on this flop although I am not sure I would have reraised with AK clearly branding my hand as a pair inducing a bluff maybe ?)

[EscapePlan9]

I've never had good experiences with getting all-in with KK on an A-high flop after someone has bet into me. They ALWAYS have me beat.

[erocplayer]

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is a pf call ok with position while making a quick escape if an A flop loosing nearly nothing (hope I don t get trashed for suggesting that)

the pots odds are good but it will commit more or less all my chips no? I wonder how often I am beaten


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flatcalling preflop is pretty weak IMO.
you wanna make big raises while your hand is a big favorite.
if you only have 1500 in chips, I don't possibly see how calling is an option. if you call you have 500 left behind and would not be able to fold on the turn or river no matter what comes.

after the bet you either fold or raise all-in.
if you get called when you shove, you're beat, but it's the only way to take it away from any hand worse than yours.

personally, i like a fold here.
be patient, you'll have another chance sooner or later.

-eroc

[black666]

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after the bet you either fold or raise all-in.
if you get called when you shove, you're beat, but it's the only way to take it away from any hand worse than yours.

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Why would you try to take the pot away from hands worse than your hand? Shouldn't you give QQ, JJ a chance to bluff-shove the turn/river, if you are planning to get your chips in anyway?

If you shove the flop, QQ/JJ will fold for sure.

For me it's either a fold or a call on the flop (with the intention to give QQ/JJ another chance to bluff at the pot). Given that villain bet into us, I think he most likely doesn't have the Ace. AA/AK/AQ would go for the c/r or c/c here for sure.

[Dunkman]

I'm not really sure of the PF action. So some guy raised to 100, someone called, then you raised to 500 with KK from the button or CO and the first guy called?