$11s TT from the BB - check or raise?

dj32 · #1 08-01-2007, 10:53 AM

I find these situations difficult. My instinct is to raise, but I'd fold to a reraise and if we go to a flop, I'm check/folding a lot of the time. The problem with the check of course is that I'm not great at folding overpairs on the flop and I'm inviting speculative hands to get lucky and flop a monster.

How do you play this?

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1380)
UTG+1 (t690)
MP1 (t2355)
CO (t2160)
Button (t2815)
SB (t2690)
Hero (t1410)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t50, MP1 folds, CO folds, Button calls t50, SB calls t25, Hero?

Thriller · #2 08-01-2007, 10:58 AM

I'm more inclined to raise if there were fewer limpers, but I think I call here. You're OOP and this is a good cheap way to hide a set when you flop one. TT OOP can win big when you hit a set, but you can also save yourself some chips when the overcards hit.

STALLOWN3D · #3 08-01-2007, 10:59 AM

Just check it here. You're likely to get at least one call and any overcard is going to make it tough to play.

Just check and go from there.

dj32 · #4 08-01-2007, 11:16 AM

Great, I'm with you so far. Here's the flop:

Flop: (t200) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets t100, Hero raises to t300, UTG+1 folds, Button folds, SB raises to t900, Hero?

Does anyone consider folding an overpair in this situation? The bet/raise from the SB screams monster, but I see so much crazy play that I can't bring myself to fold an overpair in this situation. Obviously I lost, but this is not me being results oriented. I'm trying to confirm that at the $11s this is a +EV push.

Jacey · #5 08-01-2007, 11:20 AM

I've had people do this to me with A7 K7 etc at the 5&10 level

of course, I've also run into way too many sets the last two days with my big pairs

STALLOWN3D · #6 08-01-2007, 11:26 AM

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Great, I'm with you so far. Here's the flop:

Flop: (t200) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets t100, Hero raises to t300, UTG+1 folds, Button folds, SB raises to t900, Hero?

Does anyone consider folding an overpair in this situation? The bet/raise from the SB screams monster, but I see so much crazy play that I can't bring myself to fold an overpair in this situation. Obviously I lost, but this is not me being results oriented. I'm trying to confirm that at the $11s this is a +EV push.

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I always have a tough time laying down overpairs at the lower levels, but I think it looks pretty clear that you are beat here. His action just seems too strong for me to think your tens are best.

Luisgallo · #7 08-01-2007, 11:46 AM

raise to 250 here and if shortie pushes you can easily call.

dj32 · #8 08-01-2007, 11:48 AM

I agree that his action looks like I'm beat (and in this case I was), but do you agree that it's a +EV push at the $11s? It just seems that you see this action enough with top pair, flush and straight draws, 88, and 99, that's it's a good push. I feel that I'm ahead enough of the time to make this +EV.

dj32 · #9 08-01-2007, 11:52 AM

Luis,

Call a push from the shortie and fold to a reraise from anyone else?

STALLOWN3D · #10 08-01-2007, 11:54 AM

If it had been SB check, you bet, then one of the limper raises, I'd be fine sticking it in here. I just think with the bet, raise, reraise your tens should be folded.

Generally, yeah I get in here and see A7, 88, 99 enough where I feel comfortable pushing. This is just one hand where I think you can fold after your raise.