JJ, lot of action

[hamnegger]

i think a mix of raises and calls is good for this type of situation. play it on feel of the tbl rather than in a vacuum. there are good merits to both plays. i do hate the baby raise even w aces 400 is not enough

[PantsOnFire]

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i think a mix of raises and calls is good for this type of situation. play it on feel of the tbl rather than in a vacuum. there are good merits to both plays. i do hate the baby raise even w aces 400 is not enough

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No offense ham, but I think you got a resounding advice for call, me included. That just might be the right play.

[ChipSpeak]

150BBs is a ton of chips, we must alter our thinking here.
I like the call. Your not getting rid of anyone without jamming 40BBs in there to see where your at with essentially, a middle pair(And it will take that many, 400ish is creating odds too great for a multiway pot, with no room to maneuver post flop). Yes, I know there's only 3 hands pounding us (preflop!), but we are very deep here. As Cornell mentioned, it will too great of an investment to attempt isolate a hand you are leading. I prefer to take a flop in position and play poker. If you haven't done so, read this mastery on deepstack play.

[oe39]

the amount in the pot right now is ~1/7 of our stack. any kind of read on the raiser?

i understand what people think about wanting to see a flop in position, but i also think that there are a lot of flops where we will lose a bunch of chips to hands that would have folded (could potentially be up against multiple smaller pocket pairs / SCs) and that this has to be weighed against the chance of a significant increase to our stack right now.

sure, AA/KK/QQ/AK could be out there, and we could get hit with an AI reraise if we choose to raise. however, i think a good player sometimes folds QQ to that raise. to me, it depends on the range you assign to the raiser (who is most likely to be strong).

i guess i'm not saying that a call is bad, but maybe that IMO it might not get the maximum from the situation.

[Cornell Fiji]

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the amount in the pot right now is ~1/7 of our stack. any kind of read on the raiser?

i understand what people think about wanting to see a flop in position, but i also think that there are a lot of flops where we will lose a bunch of chips to hands that would have folded (could potentially be up against multiple smaller pocket pairs / SCs) and that this has to be weighed against the chance of a significant increase to our stack right now.

sure, AA/KK/QQ/AK could be out there, and we could get hit with an AI reraise if we choose to raise. however, i think a good player sometimes folds QQ to that raise. to me, it depends on the range you assign to the raiser (who is most likely to be strong).

i guess i'm not saying that a call is bad, but maybe that IMO it might not get the maximum from the situation.

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If a good player sometimes folds QQ to a reraise and you want to reraise then please explain to me the difference between protecting your JJ and turning your JJ into a bluff.

[oe39]

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If a good player sometimes folds QQ to a reraise and you want to reraise then please explain to me the difference between protecting your JJ and turning your JJ into a bluff.

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that i wouldn't call hurr or randyrockets with a bluff?

[LFC]

ty for answers

I read somewhere: There are 3 ways of playing JJ. You can either call, raise or fold- and they are all wrong.

now I'm embarrassted, but whatever
here is the flop
what now?

PokerStars Game #11219694271: Tournament #56616903, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/07/30 - 15:14:30 (ET)
Table '56616903 51' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: famigerato (2970 in chips)
Seat 2: Tugaske (1750 in chips)
Seat 3: Huur (5450 in chips)
Seat 4: randyrockets (2780 in chips)
Seat 5: HERO (2860 in chips)
Seat 6: bigAl223 (3060 in chips)
Seat 7: lucasino (3195 in chips)
Seat 8: amarillion (1690 in chips)
Seat 9: acemaster68 (3205 in chips)
bigAl223: posts small blind 10
lucasino: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
amarillion: calls 20
acemaster68: raises 100 to 120
famigerato: folds
Tugaske: folds
Huur: calls 120
randyrockets: calls 120
HERO: raises 500 to 620
bigAl223: folds
lucasino: folds
amarillion: folds
acemaster68: calls 500
Huur: folds
randyrockets: calls 500
*** FLOP *** K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
acemaster68: bets 400
randyrockets: calls 400
HERO: ??

[Tackleberry]

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I read somewhere: There are 3 ways of playing JJ. You can either call, raise or fold- and they are all wrong.

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*lol*

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here is the flop
what now?
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Fold. The PFA tells you he has it and the cold-caller still doesn´t seem impressed. No way to continue here for me ...

[LFC]

400 into ~2100 pot says I got it?

[levAA]

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400 into ~2100 pot says I got it?

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maybe, maybe not - could be KK or AA to get more chips into the pot, or even AK. But the probability that you are beaten here with 2 opponents, that called your reraise preflop is really huge. this can be a good place to loose all your chips with second (or even third) best hand.

get off