Vegas $2-4 Limit

[Diana Ross Fan]

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I'd say the 15-30 at bellagio is a better game than the 8-16. Half the time Ive played the 8-16 its been a nit fest and half the time a donkfest. take a shot, I'd say bellagio 15-30 on a weekend. Their is always at least one 15 game going and the 8 u If you wanna sually starts around noon.

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I played the 8-16 once last month. I ran 2 successful bluffs in the first hour. The only benefit to bluffing in limit poker is that it tells you the game isn't worth sitting in.

[Diana Ross Fan]

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Hi all,

I am new here (lurking for a few months), and I just have a few questions on vegas $2-$4 limit. I live in Oklahoma, which has gotten poker rooms in the last couple of years, so I am kinda new at poker. My questions are:

I play $3-$6 here in Oklahoma, and it is full of fish (maybe 5 or 6 at a table, I can read the whole table down in usually a orbit). Is that the way (I know different rooms, different people) the $2-$4 and $3-$6 is in vegas?

Also I can pull a profit (from $1 to $100) 8 out 10 times here, is that the same in vegas?

I play tight yet aggresive, and I am very patient, and I usually know if I have the best hand (will show cards at show down if I know I have the best hand). And that leads to my next question, should I play $4-$8 in vegas and skip the $2-$4 and $3-$6?

Isuxs

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Spark Notes: Don't waste your time in 2-4.


You are asking a number of questions here. The skill level of 2-4 is slightly worse than 3-6, because in stupid rooms that offer both, the people who don't know the rules will play 2-4. The skill difference isn't worth thinking about more.

Here is a difference that is. Consider what TS Clark said about the rake. Most 2-4 games rake 5$. 10% up to 40 and 1 more for the jackpot.

So they are taking the full 10% until the pot gets enormous. That's a big hurdle to jump. If you have any skills, they are worth more in a game where the rake is a smaller portion of the pot.

[chao22mien]

i played alot of SS LHE when i moved here....prob 1st 3 months

i was debating starting at 2/4 as well since i ve pretty much only been a tourney player prior to moving here.

but since i ve been here i ve played 3/6, 3/6 Kill, 4/8, 4/8 (1/2 Kill) up to 1 or 2 session at 8/16.

i ve spent most my time at 4/8.

i d say if u re experienced at all, dont waste your time with 2/4. i spent most my time playing 4/8 but played 3/6 at caesars when 4/8 wasnt available.

consistent 4/8 games are at wynn, bellagio, venetian. i ve found bellagio to be the easiest.

4/8 (1/2 Kill) games run at the station casinos, palms, mandalay bay, orleans.

play the bay and palms late nights...i know table selection always varies but the few times i played early morning on sat or sundays the average age of a player was prob 60. i d raise UTG and tehy d all fold.

another thing i d say is that if u re coming out here to play limit and it s a vacation, just step it up and play 10/20 at the mirage and go out of your comfort zone.

you're playing 4/8 all the time, so why not take a little shot. at least that s the way i thought bfore i moved out here.

[PorkchopDJG]

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Don't mean to hijack isuxs' post, but Arbitrage, is the Bellagio 15-30 really that easy? I've played 2-4 and 4-8 before there with some success, but have been studying extremly hard for months now and feel I have greatly improved my Limit game. I'm a TAG. My next trip to Vegas (At XMas most likely), I was wanting to play some higher limit, like 15/30, or the 20/40 game at Mirage. Would you recommend the Bellagio 15/30? How often is it spread there? What about the 30/60 there? Thanks

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I'd say the 15-30 at bellagio is a better game than the 8-16. Half the time Ive played the 8-16 its been a nit fest and half the time a donkfest. If you wanna take a shot, I'd say bellagio 15-30 on a weekend. Their is always at least one 15 game going and the 8 usually starts around noon.

Continue to play you're TAG game. But just remember, that at this level there are more people capable of folding top pair. So you can get creative.

Only played the 30 a couple times when I saw the game was good (from the rail). But its supposed to be considerably tougher than 15.

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How many 8/16 and 15/30 games will generally be going at Bellagio on say a Weekday night vs. Weekend night?

[rafiki]

I didn't say a thing about the 30/60, but I'm not making any ego boosting comments when I suggest that the 15/30 game at the Bellagio is more beatable then most 3/6 games online today. This assumes you have an inkling of an idea about seat/table selection.

calling 3 cold, extreme tilt, draws to gutshots and 2 outers, playing any A under the gun, calling down second pair...these are all staples of the 15/30 game at the B. But you obviously need to be rolled for the variance...

[Lacan212]

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i played alot of SS LHE when i moved here....prob 1st 3 months

i was debating starting at 2/4 as well since i ve pretty much only been a tourney player prior to moving here.

but since i ve been here i ve played 3/6, 3/6 Kill, 4/8, 4/8 (1/2 Kill) up to 1 or 2 session at 8/16.

i ve spent most my time at 4/8.

i d say if u re experienced at all, dont waste your time with 2/4. i spent most my time playing 4/8 but played 3/6 at caesars when 4/8 wasnt available.

consistent 4/8 games are at wynn, bellagio, venetian. i ve found bellagio to be the easiest.

4/8 (1/2 Kill) games run at the station casinos, palms, mandalay bay, orleans.

play the bay and palms late nights...i know table selection always varies but the few times i played early morning on sat or sundays the average age of a player was prob 60. i d raise UTG and tehy d all fold.

another thing i d say is that if u re coming out here to play limit and it s a vacation, just step it up and play 10/20 at the mirage and go out of your comfort zone.

you're playing 4/8 all the time, so why not take a little shot. at least that s the way i thought bfore i moved out here.

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I would so far say this advice is best. 2/4 is a headache no matter where it is spread. What can make it more difficult is that people will call anything, and I mean ANYTHING, for $2 preflop. This makes hand reading difficult. When you move up to 4/8, you have people have that some idea what they are doing, which makes hand reading a lot easier. They know what they are doing, but they still tend to be loose-passive or tight-passive, whereas 2/4 insanelyloose-passive. In 4/8, the rake is relatively big, but in 2/4 the rake is relatively HUGE. In 4/8, position is Huge, in 2/4 position is not nearly as important.

I usually play in the 4/8 half kill games in the station casinos and make a consistent profit. However, becoming pro off 4/8 is virutually impossible in my mind.

I also agree that nights and weekends are the best time to play, by far. I can't tell how many times a stupidly agressive drunk will be playing.

Just sit back and play a tight-aggressive game, and people won't care to notice you are playing tight, or will call you a "rock" as they cold call your re-raise. I've had that happen to me twice, once a middle-aged woman said I played too predictably and she knew I had a monster, whiles four people were calling me down on the river including herself! And her prediction was right, and I won the pot!

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[jeffnc]

If you play online at $1/2 then you can definitely play higher in Las Vegas. I wouldn't waste my time with $2/4. At the Bellagio the lowest game is $4/8 and I don't recall seeing any good players in those games. At $8/16 there are some good players, but there are also enough bad ones that you will still win money. Just pick a good table and if it's too tight move to a different one.

You can probably win at a lot of the $15/30 tables at the Bellagio too, but that is more hit and miss, and it doesn't sound like you could stomach the bankroll for that. Same goes for $10/20 at the Mirage. I've seen it tough, and I've seen it super soft, like a .25/.50 game online.

[jeffnc]

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Don't mean to hijack isuxs' post, but Arbitrage, is the Bellagio 15-30 really that easy?

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People need to stop phrasing questions and answers that way. If any particular game at any particular casino were "that easy" then it would soon be overrun by good players wanting easy money.

It's like anything else. You have to pick your tables. Sometimes they will be tough, sometimes they will be easy. If your table is tough, move. If you have time to wait, then watch some tables and pick an easy one.

But yes, you can find very easy $15/30 games at the Bellagio and $10/20 games at the Mirage. I remember one game where several players in a $10/20 game really sucked, and they were asking the floor to be moved to a $20/40 table. I didn't have a lot of live experience at the time and I couldn't believe it. I just didn't have the roll to play $20/40 at the time.

But I've also seen a couple tough games at the Mirage, where 7 or 8 of the other 9 players looked good, and the other 2 weren't exactly fish waiting to be filleted. So pick your spots.

[jeffnc]

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If what you're after is to win money, I suggest avoiding 2/4. It's usually got a lot of rank beginners and people that flat out don't know how to play. The beginers always seem to have outrageous luck, and the others don't want to fold. Add all that up and you're peddling uphill most of the time.

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Huh? That makes no sense. The reasons you avoid this game are
1) the rake and tips are too high in relation to your BB/hr, and
2) you can make more by exploiting play that is as bad or almost as bad at higher limits

[jeffnc]

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2/4 is a headache no matter where it is spread. What can make it more difficult is that people will call anything, and I mean ANYTHING, for $2 preflop. This makes hand reading difficult.

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2/4 is all about hand reading - your own! You don't care what they have. You can't read hands because they don't even know what they have (relatively speaking I mean) so their betting patterns are irrelevant. What's important is simply playing strong hands and draws, knowing how to get more money in the pot when you want it, and knowing when to show down your top pair passively. You will lose to some mind blowing 2 pair hands, but that is not the point.