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Old 07-30-2007, 09:38 PM
darnold305 darnold305 is offline
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Default 16: KK lvl 3

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button (t1495)
SB (t4085)
BB (t1605)
UTG (t1425)
UTG+1 (t205)
MP1 (t1280)
MP2 (t1805)
Hero (t1600)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t100</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t450</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG calls t400, MP1 folds.

Flop: (t1075) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks,
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Old 07-30-2007, 09:58 PM
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Default Re: 16: KK lvl 3

i usually bet here about 450.
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Old 07-30-2007, 10:11 PM
chuckpalms04 chuckpalms04 is offline
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Default Re: 16: KK lvl 3

i would have re-raised to 300-325 pf. gets the job done just the same plus when we run into a situation like this we don't commit our entire stack. a little pot control goes a long way and this is the reason why. you have to cbet b/c you've got so much invested but it's very likely you're behind by a ton. i'd bet 450 and fold to a shove, but if we had raised smaller pf we could bet less and get away much easier.
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Old 07-30-2007, 10:16 PM
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Default Re: 16: KK lvl 3

chuck, we aren't trying to go for pot control, or get away from kings. If we raise to 300-325 its to make him call more, not keep the pot smaller.

Stop being results orientated since an ace flopped
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Old 07-30-2007, 10:21 PM
chuckpalms04 chuckpalms04 is offline
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Default Re: 16: KK lvl 3

raising it up to 9x bb from a min-raise is bad. i'm just saying that i would have raised to a smaller amount because i hate situations like this. i'm not being results oriented, and this isn't the first time a question like this has been raised, in fact, i had posted a hand like this a few months ago and the consensus was a smaller raise (i did the same thing as OP at the same level.) the majority of the time we get called preflop from a min-raiser we're [censored] when an A hits, so if you can make those chips back post-flop that you don't put in pf makes it a much better play in the long run (this is assuming you can practice proper bet sizing post-flop).
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Old 07-30-2007, 10:24 PM
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Default Re: 16: KK lvl 3

I'm with you echo, I don't really think there's any question about my raise pre
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Old 07-30-2007, 10:29 PM
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Default Re: 16: KK lvl 3

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I'm with you echo, I don't really think there's any question about my raise pre

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well i personally would have made it 350 or 400, i don't want him to fold!

On that flop i'd prob just check behind
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