QQ, late Sunday Million

[LFC]

Hi!
My friend send me this hand and asked how would I play it.
It was late in SM yesterday, he was 2x average stack.
No information on SB bcos it was his 6th hand at this table.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2500 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB (t292475)
UTG (t61267)
UTG+1 (t78300)
Hero (t138326)
MP2 (t86903)
MP3 (t52258)
CO (t38262)
Button (t117014)
SB (t105539)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t7500</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls t7500, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t27500</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t20000, Button folds.

Flop: (t64250) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t60000</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t64250

IMHO call PF is bad. Its either fold or push for me.
This could be a squueze play, with JJ TT he bluffed him out of this pot. With Ak from being behind he is ahead now. And agaist AA or KK there is big chance of rag flop so he still shove on flop.
But I am a cash player so correct me, please

cheers

[skibbel]

If i call preflop, i'd raise nearly every flop allin.

But there is ~45k in the pot, so it's better to push it preflop. KK/AA will stack us usually but we can't fold the best hand.

[Tackleberry]

That´s a tough decision - but I think, Hero let himself an exit strategy. It takes a very good player to make a squeeze with JJ/TT here. More often I expect AK/KK/AA in this situation. Even with AK I don´t expect Villain to laydown his hand against a shove so calling and folding the flop seems not to be the worst thing here - facing a fight with the chipleader, while himself being still in an excellent position after folding.

[BarryLyndon]

Antes?

If you are 2x average stack and the blind structure seems to be very nice, you could afford to take a flop here ONLY IF you plan on calling off the rest of your chips on any dry board that doesn't have a K or A. Otherwise, you are set-mining here, which is nonsense. Also, Tack, it's late in the Sun. Million, a RR here with JJ/TT isn't too unexpected + you have no reason to believe that a player isn't doing this with lighter + KA is here plenty often.

Sum: Push &gt; call &gt;&gt;&gt; fold.

Barry

[LFC]

yep, ante 250

[paddymcg21]

I think it's a clear fold on this flop as any plausible hands villain is holding have us beat i.e. AA, KK, AK, JJ, a small possibility of TT but its not enough to warrant calling this. The question is really would hero have gone with him if the flop came 2 T J? Still personally I probably call pre flop and go with it if an A or K doesnt hit. This flop is asking for trouble though.

[paddymcg21]

Actually now I read this again does anyone here get the feeling that the re raise to 27,500 is a bit suspect? I mean if I was in the sb with AA/KK id be making it something more like 20k. Maybe shoving pre flop is the play.

[goldtoes]

I personally would have pushed PF here, but being so deep helps here. I believe calling PF and then pushing / calling any flop with no K or A is *alright*. I like just pushing a lot better though, there is a good chance he has something as bad as AJ or AQ, but very possibly AK. Seemed like a pretty standard squeeze to me. And at this level, they are successful a very high % of the time.

[SuperUberBob]

I actually don't think this hand is poorly played. Against a typical donkey, I might jam PF and expect to be called by weaker hands. Against above average (or better) players, I'm calling to take a flop, but I'm jamming any rag board.

I like to make these calls because it leaves me outs in case things don't go as planned. Here, they didn't and I like your move.

[LFC]

ok, ty

lets say flop comes JT4 rainbow

he bets 60k, what now? pray for AK ?