$114: KK flops an ace

darinvg · #1 07-30-2007, 09:26 AM

Pretty sure villain sucks...

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t75/t150
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: t2590
Hero: t1615
Button: t3285
SB: t2340
BB: t3670

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero raises to t375, Button calls t375 (pot was t600), 2 folds.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t975, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets t450, Hero?

Lahmshuffle · #2 07-30-2007, 09:32 AM

pre-flop raise should be at least 500...
now as played fold..

darinvg · #3 07-30-2007, 09:44 AM

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pre-flop raise should be at least 500...

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Thanks.

TheSug · #4 07-30-2007, 09:48 AM

I hate this spot. Push PF avoids this situation but obv you get less value if no action

As played, I think you need to fold. At lower levels sucky villains often have A/3+ and never let it go. I don't play at this level so my advice goes under the assumption that sucky villain suckiness is static across all buy-ins.

alwardc4 · #5 07-30-2007, 09:51 AM

Ugh, I would usually just push pf (you are right around 10 bbs). As played, I think a check-fold is ok. He can't really be betting a draw, so I guess on that board he has an A too often to continue.

ronbo1964 · #6 07-30-2007, 10:39 AM

Disclaimer: I've only played as high as the $22s ...

I'm either pushing pre flop or raising the 375 that you did if your intention is to get the chips in the middle on a non-ace flop ... If villian sucks the same as the levels I've played, and calls with nearly any ace as the previous poster stated, the 375 raise gives you SOME room to fold if an ace falls on the flop (although I'm not folding there 100% of the time - it'll depend on the read on the villian) ... I think raising to 500, as stated earlier, leaves you too short ... I'd leans towards just pushing pre flop, though ...

Pudge714 · #7 07-30-2007, 10:48 AM

Preflop is incredibly standard.
As played call flop.
Check turn.

Little John · #8 07-30-2007, 10:51 AM

guess you have to start with some type of calling range. lets assume TT AK and AQ reraise preflop.

77(6 combinations)
88 (6 combinations)
99 (3 combos becasue 9 on board)
AJ 12 combos
AT 12 combos
KQ 8 combos
KJ 8 combos
QJs 4 combos

so you are ahead of 32 combos and behind 27. of couruse adjust for whatever you think his range is. you have 1240 behind and pot is 975, so odds are about right. i think i want to get them in in this spot, especially vs a bad player that will donate some chips with 88.

villian should be drawing to just a couple of outs so i like check/call check/call or check/call lead turn if scary.

i usually open for just a bit more in this spot (400) just to committ myself postflop. a few unknown bad players will never notice. warning - nit alert.

darinvg · #9 07-30-2007, 10:54 AM

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Preflop is incredibly standard.
As played call flop.
Check turn.

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Aren't we pretty much committed if we call the flop (only 790 left)?

Little John · #10 07-30-2007, 10:56 AM

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Preflop is incredibly standard.
As played call flop.
Check turn.

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Aren't we pretty much committed if we call the flop (only 790 left)?

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i dont think a turn bet does anything for you. it is a wa/wb. let him bet his 88.