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Old 07-30-2007, 12:34 AM
KitCloudkicker KitCloudkicker is offline
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Default Re: 3 tricky Hands as Aggressor from early multiway, 2/4 Stars

hand 1: bad slowplay. stop slowplaying the nuts. just bet.

hand 2: i raise the flop and go from there.

hand 3: i bet the turn. if i spazzed and didnt bet the turn i'd C/R it.
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Old 07-30-2007, 12:38 AM
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Default Re: 3 tricky Hands as Aggressor from early multiway, 2/4 Stars

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hand 1: bad slowplay. stop slowplaying the nuts. just bet.

hand 2: i raise the flop and go from there.

hand 3: i bet the turn. if i spazzed and didnt bet the turn i'd C/R it.

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Old 07-30-2007, 01:27 AM
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Default Re: 3 tricky Hands as Aggressor from early multiway, 2/4 Stars

hand 1 makes me laugh at you and players like you

hand 2 is fine actually, but bet the river

hand 3 makes me chortle, in that you had the opportunity to c/r the turn, but didn't.
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Old 07-30-2007, 09:59 AM
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hand 1 makes me laugh at you and players like you

hand 2 is fine actually, but bet the river

hand 3 makes me chortle, in that you had the opportunity to c/r the turn, but didn't.

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kamel:

The reason BBB is telling you these things is because you're just missing bets.

In hand 1, you were the PFR, everyone expects a c-bet anyway, don't dissapoint them. Just think about how much action you'd have gotten from a smaller flopped fl or a set. Your check, then turn bet is highly suspect to anyone but the oblivious.

Hand 2 is OK, but I think (as others have pointed out) that you likely could have answered your WA/WB question with a flop raise. As it turned out, you got the answer on the turn, then failed to capitalize on it with your river check behind.

Hand 3 turn play could come directly out of HEFAP. If you're not going to donk it, then this is the PERFECT time to c/r.

All-in-all, I don't think many folks here see this play as "3 tricky hands." And I don't mean to sound like I'm rediculing you here. Learn from these guys; that's why you posted, right?
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Old 07-30-2007, 10:05 AM
HoneyBadger HoneyBadger is offline
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Default Re: 3 tricky Hands as Aggressor from early multiway, 2/4 Stars

grunch

hand #1: bet the flop, after that the hand played itself... (omg I have the nut, what should I do?)

hand #2: raise the flop. As played, bet the river.

hand #3: just bet the turn. As played, c/r it.

(Just read the responses. Good to know we are all agreeing)
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Old 07-30-2007, 01:18 PM
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Default Re: 3 tricky Hands as Aggressor from early multiway, 2/4 Stars

Thanks for all the answers. I understoodd perfect Hand 1 and 2 (thx again for clearing this), however, I first had problems to understand Hand #3.

So I started to write the following lines:
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I'd like to ask again about #3. (I don't have HEFAP, so sorry if it's boring for you to reexplain)

First, I'd like to check my range for my opponent.
I gave him preflop following his stats BU (15/3/1.00/29) (33h) (o.k. not very significant) 99-QQ,AJ+,KQs. Perhaps sometimes a bit more or less but, I thought a reasonable range here. O.K.?

All of this hands might call the flop as he could have the best hand or try to win the hand later in this hand. O.K.?

Given his WtSD of 30 and his low AF of 1.0, I assumed he would fold correctly all but AJ and KQ correctly of his range to a turn bet if he's behind and will not fold any better hand. Only against K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] I would need to protect my hand.

So where is the point in betting the turn?


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Then I wanted to underline my point of view with stoving given my hand against the range that villain will call me.
So AK on this turnbord vs AJ+,KQs give my an equity of 57%, so I'm ahead and that of course makes everything clear.

If I bet out and villain does not fold, I'm still favorite to win this hand, so betting is for value and especially if thought to KQs also for protection.

So everything is clear for me now, and thank you all for helping me to get better.
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Old 07-30-2007, 02:20 PM
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Default Re: 3 tricky Hands as Aggressor from early multiway, 2/4 Stars

Hand 1= Don't even think about slowplaying this with only three to the flop. If you've got 5+ potential customers out there then maybe I can see a flop check. But with only two others the only way you're going to build a pot is to bet this flop.

Hand 2= you have to bet the river.
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