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View Poll Results: What is your opinion on the Manning vs Manning game Sunday
I dont' follow American football, what's this all about? 0 0%
It's neat that they are playing against each other, but I don't really care 10 12.50%
I can't wait for this game because of this brother - brother matchup (I wouldn't care much otherwise) 3 3.75%
This adds a bit of interest to a game I wouldn't care much about otherwise 8 10.00%
I care about this game for other reasons (for example, I'm a fan of one of the teams or have players on my fantasy team), this is not a factor 12 15.00%
I care about this game for other reasons, this makes it a bit more interesting 15 18.75%
It sucks because it makes it impossible for both to lose 7 8.75%
It's seriously overyhyped 15 18.75%
Who cares, it's not like they're on the field at the same time 6 7.50%
I'm more intrigued by Tiki and Ronde playing against each other 4 5.00%
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Old 07-29-2007, 07:37 PM
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Default Re: can anyone be a winning poker player?

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I know that somethings at poker you can learn. Hand rankings, pot odds, implied odds, blah blah blah. But how about the things within your self? The discipline to quit when you are playing bad, the courage to make the right call with a marginal hand, etc.

I'm asking this because i've made numerous $50 deposits at websites, play good and bring my roll ~180, then lose it all in a couple of hours.

I know in Barry Greenstein's book, "Ace on the River" he lists some characteristics that poker players need. I haven't read the book myself, so i couldn't list them myself, but is it possible to instill those characteristics withing myself?

I love, love, love poker. I love doing numbers, and reading people. I just hate losing money.

Should i just uninstall these poker websites and never play again?

(I know my post is pretty bad, but i'm just so out of it right now. My poker bankroll is gone... AGAIN)

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Two more thoughts about your post.

First, you lost $180 in a couple hours? YOU'RE PLAYING WAY TOO HIGH, OR PLAYING MORE TABLES THAN YOU CAN HANDLE.

I lost three $50 deposits, but it took me hundreds of hours of playing, and the bankroll lasted a little longer each time.

I broke $100 for my bankroll last week, which was also the first week I made over $10. I profited $20.73 last week, I have permanently moved up from .01/.02 to .02/.05, and I don't expect to be making any more deposits, unless I'm bonus whoring someplace.

But again, it took me hours and hours and hours of grinding at the lowest microlimit games and one-table tournaments to get here. You haven't given yourself enough time, or played within your bankroll long enough, to give yourself a chance.

SECOND--EVERYTHING MATTERS.

Work on everything, maybe a different thing each week. Do you have a good starting hand list in your head for an average of 7 seeing the flop? How about 4? What about a very tight game?

Pot odds? Implied odds? Game selection? Best time to play? When to get out?

Anything at which you get better, any weapon in your arsenal, gives you one more edge.

A perfect example of working every edge happened to me today.

I joined a cash game, $10 max buy-in, where one guy had $10.53, everyone else was $5 and under. I liked the table, both the see-the-flop percentage (45%) and the underfunded, probably bad players. That's table selection, and it matters.

Next, I had two seats to pick from, and I put the big stack on my immediate right. That's seat selection.

But the big stack was no dummy. He left the room 5 sections after I entered, and I doubt that it was a coincidence. He probably understood everything that I did, and went looking for a bunch of underfunded fish that could be pushed around (and where a big stack wouldn't be on his left), just as I was doing.

Summary: Be more patient, play within your bankroll, work on all aspects of your game, and you'll almost certainly be a winning player at least at the lower levels.
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