FTP 55K: AA against loose maniac early

bluesbassman · #1 07-27-2007, 09:05 PM

Villain is phat_cat, who I read as a loose donkish maniac. He could have almost any two here; should I shut it down on the turn because he hit two pair or something, or commit myself to this pot and bust his A-rag?

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG+1 (t2900)
MP1 (t3370)
Hero (t2970)
MP3 (t2910)
CO (t3110)
Button (t2970)
SB (t2770)
BB (t3000)
UTG (t3000)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t100, 1 fold, Hero raises to t300, 5 folds, UTG+1 calls t200.

Flop: (t630) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t300, Hero raises to t900, UTG+1 calls t600.

Turn: (t2430) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t1700 (All-In), Hero ??.

pato610 · #2 07-27-2007, 09:19 PM

Fold, looks like 1010 to me.

Bakes · #3 07-27-2007, 09:47 PM

schnappcahwl

nath · #4 07-27-2007, 09:50 PM

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Fold, looks like 1010 to me.

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You shouldn't post in HSMTT if this is the extent of the reasoning you're going to post. You realize picking a specific hand to put someone on is a futile exercise, right?

Anyway... I don't agree with the read on phat_cat, in general, and I call because this line is the sort taken by someone who doesn't want a call. I also raise more preflop because someone who raises 5x isn't folding.

luckychewy · #5 07-27-2007, 10:17 PM

there's good calls, easy calls, insta calls, turbo calls, snap calls, and then there's this.

the alex · #6 07-27-2007, 10:48 PM

I partially agree with Nath.

phat_cat's line is strong, but the cc-flop/lead-turn isn't for value, it's more for protection of a made 1-pair hand.

pato610 · #7 07-27-2007, 10:52 PM

Sorry Nath, you're right.

I think Phatcat's line here is that he raises utg, mp reraises him, you can put mp reraising on JJ+,AK. If that is the range, I think that phatcat only leads with a set here. I don't think he would raise 66 utg+1, so I'd put him on 88 or 1010 here.

When phatcat hammers all in on the turn, he shows the strength of his hand- hero reraised pre, reraised the flop, and phatcat is still shoving into him.

It sucks to fold AA on a board like this, but this was early in the tourney so I think it is a fold. That being said, I'd have a hell of a time finding the fold button myself here.

OP, What did PHatCat have?

nath · #8 07-27-2007, 11:07 PM

That's pretty good reasoning, but I do think he could have JJ-KK here, and I also think he's more likely to check/call all-in on the turn with a set than an overpair.

bluesbassman · #9 07-27-2007, 11:14 PM

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OP, What did PHatCat have?

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Crying call.

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG+1 (t2900)
MP1 (t3370)
Hero (t2970)
MP3 (t2910)
CO (t3110)
Button (t2970)
SB (t2770)
BB (t3000)
UTG (t3000)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t100, 1 fold, Hero raises to t300, 5 folds, UTG+1 calls t200.

Flop: (t630) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t300, Hero raises to t900, UTG+1 calls t600.

Turn: (t2430) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t1700 (All-In), Hero calls t1700.

River: (t5830) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)
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Final Pot: t5830

Results in white below: 
UTG+1 has Ts Tc (three of a kind, tens).
Hero has As Ah (one pair, aces).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins t5830.

gobboboy · #10 07-27-2007, 11:47 PM

Folding here would be terrible.