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Old 07-27-2007, 03:37 PM
ras52 ras52 is offline
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Default Jacks no good here?

SB is 41.2/2.9/0.83, UTG is 14.7/2.9/oo

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $24.95
Hero: $38.05
MP1: $13.75
MP2: $26.20
MP3: $7
CO: $35.20
Button: $26.65
SB: $34.40
BB: $19.45

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG+1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls $0.25 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was $0.35)</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1</font>, 5 folds, SB calls $0.9 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was $1.6)</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $0.75 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was $2.5)</font>.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($3.25, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $1.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $3</font>, Hero ?
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Old 07-27-2007, 04:06 PM
mce86 mce86 is offline
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Default Re: Jacks no good here?

Maybe not, but at this point, im not throwing them away yet.
Turn card brings alot of possibilities...lets check it out. its only a pot sized bet..after the raise.
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Old 07-27-2007, 04:11 PM
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Default Re: Jacks no good here?

I would probably fold, but I'd hate myself for it. It's a draw heavy board, so SB could easily have a straight or flush draw, but I'd be surprised if a 14.7/2.9/oo UTG raised into the pre-flop raiser without a good hand. If I feel that UTG could do this with A9, it's a call for me. Otherwise, it's a fold.
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Old 07-27-2007, 04:14 PM
O0Brian0O O0Brian0O is offline
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Default Re: Jacks no good here?

I don't like getting a cheap card here, what are we drawing to? If we think were behind the only thing that can save us is probably a J, so may as well fold. If we think were ahead we don't want them drawing to a straight or flush, make it at least 10 to go.

I'm not sure if you are ahead, follow your read and either raise or fold.
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Old 07-27-2007, 04:18 PM
mce86 mce86 is offline
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Default Re: Jacks no good here?

First, we may be ahead...probably not, but possible.
Second, sure we could get a T to help us, a spade might scare everyone off, and an ace could do the same thing after our call. Obv a Jack is the nuts. Id call a pot sized bet, so Id call this small raise. If he is strong, then he made it cheap enough to catch a card that could stack him.
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Old 07-27-2007, 05:15 PM
leatangclan leatangclan is offline
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Default Re: Jacks no good here?

I have a feeling your jacks are still good and you are ahead. The SB looks to me he hit a pair, probably eights. UTG looks like he is on a FD or straight draw. So it makes sense to call what's essentially a pot size bet and see what the turn brings. So far you have top pair and a back door straight, and you have position; so calling the flop makes sense to me.
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Old 07-27-2007, 05:25 PM
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Default Re: Jacks no good here?

Could be the opposite, too. SB looks to me like a FD trying to sweeten the pot and block against a bigger bet. UTG could interpret this as weakness and minraise to take the pot down with limited risk. If that is so, i like a raise here.

But with position, calling is not bad either. Risks giving a cheap card to a FD and having to shut down to action on a spade turn, but also limits the damage if one villain has hit big.

With the stats as stated, i like a call a little more. They will tell you what they have on the turn.
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Old 07-27-2007, 06:11 PM
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Default Re: Jacks no good here?

raise more preflop
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