100NL, A8s, and c-betting high card flop

[monkeymaps]

given board texture and preflop action I dont know how you guys can say he floats us with a wide range? WTF board clearly hit one of us hard I dont mind a c-bet but he isnt calling a c-bet with ANYTHING we beat IMO. open pushing is super bad IMO

[reef2287]

sry im a newb at reading ... does cold call not show any strength then in your book? your prob right vs. a super aggressive but that line just looks seemingly odd to open shove into him

[vixticator]

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given board texture and preflop action I dont know how you guys can say he floats us with a wide range? WTF board clearly hit one of us hard I dont mind a c-bet but he isnt calling a c-bet with ANYTHING we beat IMO. open pushing is super bad IMO

[/ QUOTE ]Yes, but the texture of the board is such that any hand that calls c-bet rather than shoving over it can't like most turn cards. It gives him another opportunity to fold the best hand or one that chops. Shoving into a diamond will look spewy when he calls and the A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on board makes our shove a bit more suspect but if we are 3-betting A8s here I assume we're doing the same with 6d7d every now and then, right? I'm just kind of throwing ideas around. Shoving all turns FWIW, diamond was just an example. I think unless he snapcalls the turn he will have to fold.