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Old 07-27-2007, 01:38 AM
Phil153 Phil153 is offline
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Default Re: Sklansky Bucks Calculator: PokerEV

stox,

This is a known bug, it's due to the volume of data that has to be loaded into memory.

The database backend in the next version will fix this, as well as make everything load a lot faster.

dave,

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Ideally, would continue to be free but accept donations - Ideal model for poker helper sofware IMO - but this is kinda different - much more a tracker than an helper app. I would hate to see this rendered troublesome by agressive anti-"piracy" lol / activation checking etc... but already value it greatly and would love to compensate you for your efforts

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I'm against the idea of pay-only software as well, and I'm going to maintain a free version.
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Old 07-27-2007, 02:23 AM
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There is also one calculation that might affect short stackers. When you go all in preflop, and there are others left to act with a lot of money left behind, one player could potentially bet another out of the pot on a later street, skewing the set of opponents hands that see showdown. Thanks to curtains who spotted this. It shouldn't affect full stackers (as so much money will have gone in already), and according to curtains it occurs in around 1 hand in 2000 for shorstackers. I don't know how much this would distort luck results ( I suspect very little, since the effect is rare, fractional, people usually only bet with good hands in protected pots, and the person folding usually has a poor hand that couldn't beat a bettor), but the next version will have an option to exclude these situations from analysis.

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It could easily distort results especially if you have a short stack. For instance you get allin preflop with TT against 2 opponents. One of them has AK, one of them has 88. An 8 comes...the player with the 8 eventually bets, and the AK folds. Your equity will be much higher than it should be.

Mainly, if you regularly have a shortish stack, and play a lot, your results will almost certainly say you have been slightly unlucky over the longrun (but maybe only once you get to like 200-500k hands), unless this is adjusted.

If you usually play with a full stack like a normal person, it probably won't matter much.
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Old 07-27-2007, 03:09 AM
Phil153 Phil153 is offline
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When you first mentioned it a couple of days ago I had a look over the hand histories I've got and found no noticable effect (I couldn't even find an example in most samples), but most of mine are for full or near full stacks.

I can see how it could be a big problem for the 20bb type short stackers. Do any short stackers run consistently bad? Imsakidd says above that he runs good/neutral - is that true? and I'm assuming you (curtains) consistently run bad.

Regardless, it's definitely a bug. If it's a noticeable effect I'll try to get a patch out before the next release - it's a bit of work to do as everything is being overhauled right now.
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Old 07-27-2007, 05:08 AM
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When you first mentioned it a couple of days ago I had a look over the hand histories I've got and found no noticable effect (I couldn't even find an example in most samples), but most of mine are for full or near full stacks.

I can see how it could be a big problem for the 20bb type short stackers. Do any short stackers run consistently bad? Imsakidd says above that he runs good/neutral - is that true? and I'm assuming you (curtains) consistently run bad.

Regardless, it's definitely a bug. If it's a noticeable effect I'll try to get a patch out before the next release - it's a bit of work to do as everything is being overhauled right now.

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So far in my little experiment I run good. But ok there are definitely a few hands where my Sklansky Bucks should be lower than they are.
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Old 07-27-2007, 08:04 AM
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How do I fix my luckbox?

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Old 07-27-2007, 10:14 AM
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Default Re: Sklansky Bucks Calculator: PokerEV

Here's a suggestion.

PokerEV tells me I'm losing a metric [censored] tonne on $ won w/o showdown. I datamine 24/7 and tried to load up some big winners but the only hands that imported were hands that hole cards were known. Now in this case, I could care less about hole cards because all I am interested in is hands won w/o showdown stats. Any chance that hands without hole cards can be loaded too?
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Old 07-27-2007, 12:17 PM
Lattakikk Lattakikk is offline
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Any chance cryto support will be added in the upgrade?

I used pokerEV to calculate my EV for crypto hands before support was removed, and it seem to work fine.
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Old 07-27-2007, 12:36 PM
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Any chance cryto support will be added in the upgrade?

I used pokerEV to calculate my EV for crypto hands before support was removed, and it seem to work fine.

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Same request, crypto would be very appreciated...
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Old 07-27-2007, 05:34 PM
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Imsakidd says above that he runs good/neutral - is that true? and I'm assuming you (curtains) consistently run bad.

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Last month i was below equity, the 2 before that I was above, and this month I am above as well. Some of it probably has to do with the 3 way AI pots (which i mentioned before), but it can take a while for net run to even out.

When you add the database backend i can run 200k+ hands and see what my net run over that sample is.
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Old 07-28-2007, 07:31 PM
Galapogos Galapogos is offline
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Support for other big sites coming soon? Ongame, absolute, prima...

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Last time I checked, Prima and Ongame don't save mucked showdown hands, so the luck results will be kind of useless. I will be adding them though for game analysis. Probably around 3-4 weeks until the next version is out with this added + other stuff.

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Hey Phil, not sure if you have found out otherwise since this post but Ongame does show mucked cards in their HHs.
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