My Report on shortstacking bots NL500-NL2000

[sonneti]

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Burn the witches!!!!!

So is there any real evidence they have been botting? Something that would actually come close to proving they are bots, saying they were instantly sitting in/out is great but until I see something on video or whatever this is a pretty weak case.

Also back to OP, did you report your friend for his play money bot on stars? Surely he has plans switching it to cash.

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There is rarely, if ever, going to be definitive proof in these cases. That's why I think Prima should close their accounts and send them a check for their account balances rather than just confiscating their funds. That's also what FTP should have done to the "sweatshop."

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Why should their accounts be closed?

Are they guilty until proven innocent?

[Losing all]

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Burn the witches!!!!!

So is there any real evidence they have been botting? Something that would actually come close to proving they are bots, saying they were instantly sitting in/out is great but until I see something on video or whatever this is a pretty weak case.

Also back to OP, did you report your friend for his play money bot on stars? Surely he has plans switching it to cash.

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There is rarely, if ever, going to be definitive proof in these cases. That's why I think Prima should close their accounts and send them a check for their account balances rather than just confiscating their funds. That's also what FTP should have done to the "sweatshop."

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Why should their accounts be closed?

Are they guilty until proven innocent?

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yeah, I don't get it. I guess it's better than taking the money because they "might" be bots. Real bots/fake bots/bot paranoia, the whole thing just sucks.

[Zibow]

TeddyFBI:

I would advise not believing any persons "facts" (Roblin´s) until u see for urself. Caniche´s reactions were never automatic as Roblin states. The were just human fast because he is a human [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

To general public:
No opinion in a forum will ever be proof. You should submit any proof to Unibet. Since we are humans you will never have any proof. Since we have proved we are humans to Unibet, there is nothing left to prove. I hope people are able to understand the matter is closed.

Regards

[[Phill]]

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Burn the witches!!!!!

So is there any real evidence they have been botting? Something that would actually come close to proving they are bots, saying they were instantly sitting in/out is great but until I see something on video or whatever this is a pretty weak case.

Also back to OP, did you report your friend for his play money bot on stars? Surely he has plans switching it to cash.

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There is rarely, if ever, going to be definitive proof in these cases. That's why I think Prima should close their accounts and send them a check for their account balances rather than just confiscating their funds. That's also what FTP should have done to the "sweatshop."

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Why should their accounts be closed?

Are they guilty until proven innocent?

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Lol, i guess this explains why i have that guy on ignore.

Fwiw, i fully support his proposal and look forward to reporting the proven winning players as bots once the sites take up such procedures.

[Bill Haywood]

CONVERSATION WITH A BOT (genuine)

Bill Haywood> So, piruloo, I hear you are an automaton
Piruloo> yes
> SCHOCKDII wins $27.50
> Game # 1,517,865,756 starting.
Piruloo> im robocoop
> foldanycheck wins $4.50
> Game # 1,517,866,523 starting.
Bill Haywood> robo coop = automatic cage.
> Piruloo wins $25.50
> Game # 1,517,867,515 starting.
> Piruloo shows Two Pair, Kings over Jacks, with kicker card Three
(Ks Kc Jd Js 3d )
> ybom61 shows Two Pair, Kings over Jacks, with kicker card Seven
(Kh Kc Jd Js 7s )
> ybom61 wins $47.50 with Two Pair, Kings over Jacks and kicker card Seven
> Game # 1,517,869,174 starting.
> pacopil wins $9
> Game # 1,517,869,711 starting.
> ybom61 wins $4.50
> Game # 1,517,869,925 starting.
Piruloo> do you think im a bot???
Bill Haywood> Define love, I don't think a bot could.
> ybom61 wins $34.50
> Game # 1,517,870,948 starting.
> Piruloo wins $19.50
> Game # 1,517,871,785 starting.
Piruloo> mmmm
Piruloo> love is
> ybom61 wins $16.50
> Game # 1,517,872,474 starting.
Piruloo> a massive bukkake over you
Bill Haywood> what's a bukkake?
Piruloo> its ok?
Piruloo> ameal
> ybom61 shows One Pair, Aces
(Ah Ad Qh Jd 10h )
> ybom61 wins $50 with One Pair, Aces
> Game # 1,517,874,496 starting.
Bill Haywood> That's a nonsequitor, obviously a random chat generator.
Piruloo> lol
> Bill Haywood wins $13.50
> Game # 1,517,875,730 starting.
Piruloo> you are a great opium smoker
Piruloo> LOOOOOOL

[Bill Haywood]

MORE BOT TALK (Pacopil is also from Valencia)


Bill Haywood> paco, you a bot too?
pacopil> y im robocop
> showdownoff shows a Straight, Six high
(6s 5d 4c 3c 2s )
> showdownoff wins $47.50 with a Straight, Six high
> Game # 1,517,965,423 starting.
Bill Haywood> But that's what the other bot said. You're programed to make the lame joke, "I am robocop."
Piruloo> LOL
> foldanycheck wins $10.50
> Game # 1,517,966,185 starting.
Piruloo> y
Bill Haywood> Paco, define "hate."
> pacopil, you have 10 seconds to respond
> pacopil, you have 5 seconds to respond
> showdownoff wins $4.50
> Game # 1,517,967,224 starting.
pacopil> i change software for say im terminator
Piruloo> its amazinbg how retarded is ppl
Piruloo> great AI
> showdownoff shows Two Pair, Aces over Jacks, with kicker card Ten
(Ac Ah Jd Jh 10d )
> showdownoff wins $57 with Two Pair, Aces over Jacks and kicker card Ten
> Game # 1,517,968,914 starting.
Piruloo> morphed to terminator
> pacopil wins $10.50
> Game # 1,517,969,577 starting.
> Piruloo wins $42
> Game # 1,517,970,818 starting.
> Piruloo wins $15


Now would a bot know to reference the morphing going on in the 2nd terminator?

[Canichewua]

Hi, Im canichewua, my cousin is R2D2.

Sometimes im robocop and othertimes yourmothers mechanical dick.

Now im human, but only now.

My theory is that all people that thinks we are bots, are retarded cook sucker and goatraper.

In fact im playing more limit now because the people now is playing tighter against us and the system need to be fixed.

Pls stop follow me for the table, go to play with your sister at medics.

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!


sorry, i must go because i need change my DURACELL batteries.

[1MoreFish4U]

Mannnnnnnnnnnnn I wish someone would call me a goatraper. That sounds so cool.

[5thStreetHog]

I dont know anything about these guys being bots or not.But it is annoying hearing people brag about being able to short stack 10bbs as if theyve uncovered the secrets of the universe,congrats.Also,covertly gathering all your friends to play at a site is shady to me from the jump.

[roblin]

First, thanks piruloo, that defition of love was priceless.

Also its good to know that at least some opponents have adapted in way which makes shortstacking less profitable and that some shortstackers are now playing other games. This will increase my winrate and make the games more fun [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

If I was wrong about I am truely sorry. But given the data I had at the time, I am sure most people would come to the same conclusion. I am still not sure about the whole thing. Anyway, the decision is not mine, its Primas.

Hopefully this story leaves no innocent victim but helps to coerce the pokersites to increase the minimum buyin.