Bluffing is fun...for everyone

[barryc83]

hate it. pf is fine IMO. he raises UTG and then bets the turn too...hes got a Q or pp that hes prolly gonna felt. people suck at 50nl and are stations in general, i could never get anyone to fold TT here.

[Kasane]

The problem is that you haven't defined your "tagfish" and haven't described the flow of the game. Not a problem exactly, as it has started an interesting discussion -- but I think most of the answers kinda hinge on these kind of things.

Does Tagfish mean someone who is easy to take off a hand with a c/r? or one that sees a showdown once they've hit something good with one of their hands?

Have you c/r'ed a lot lately? with or without the goods? seen a bluff shown down, or seen a strong hand played cagily?

Every move here can be defended or rejected based on a number of factors. About the only one I think is simple is preflop. I call all day long, and twice on Sundays.

This flop though, despite "hitting my hand," is not actually one that is all that great -- it's on the bottom 1/3 of what I like to see.

[mitsu1775]

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why you guys keep calling utg raises out of position with SCs is beyond me

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[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dero.

Not an autocall, I agree. This was one of the "call sometimes"

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Agreed. Most of the time i fold here, but i will call at times. (situation, table dymnamics will dictate.) As played looks like a great spot to bluff.

[Capone]

Yeah I don't like calling an utg raise here in the blinds with a suited connector.

As for your flop call it is a -EV call. You are calling a psb with just a bare flush draw.

As for the turn I think it's a spew more then anything, I don't see what hands your making fold here.

[corsakh]

The only hand you can have here is 44 or QQ. Doesnt make sense to me.

[Kasane]

HU, the suited connector is an auto fold for me to a raise from UTG.

Give me 3way++ and it's an auto call, even if UTG is pf aggressor.

[Gelford]

Since AJ isn't active here, I will comment


Hint: Balance!

That is my two cents, dunno if AJ has such concerns etc, but I'm into it a good deal (and I sound full of myself) [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[fees]

I think this is bad.. conceptually its good but on this board it sucks because hes probably not double barreling without a queen that much (if he is in fact a fish)

Basically just do it on a board where he is mroe likely to just have one pair.. also picking up gutter is even better spot

[Tuee]

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The biggest leak of most uNL players is that they overplay one pair hands.

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This is precisely why we shouldn't bluff here; most lagtard donks love to bluff hard at paired boards (even without a good draw), and many will automatically assume that's what you're doing because they either do the same or see guys doing it all the time.

I need a solid read to be sure he'll fear the Q-- not standard for me.

[Gelford]

It might not be clear in my last post, but I think this hand is nicely played (tho if you played it in a zillion other ways, it most likely also would have been nicely played)