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Old 07-26-2007, 09:05 PM
Mariogs379 Mariogs379 is offline
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Default (50NL) there must be a better line with KK...

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($131.70)
Hero ($50.15)
Button ($43)
SB ($87.70)
BB ($50)
UTG ($48.70)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $1.75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $6</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP calls $4.25.

Flop: ($12.75) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $11</font>, MP calls $11.

Turn: ($34.75) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, Hero checks.

River: ($34.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $114.7 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $-79.95
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Old 07-26-2007, 09:06 PM
Man Our Units Man Our Units is offline
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Default Re: (50NL) there must be a better line with KK...

Looks fine IMO.
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Old 07-26-2007, 09:10 PM
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Default Re: (50NL) there must be a better line with KK...

On really draw heavy boards I bite the bullet and fire turn even when top pair pairs.
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Old 07-26-2007, 09:19 PM
Gorgias Gorgias is offline
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Default Re: (50NL) there must be a better line with KK...

I don't understand why you checked the turn. He could be drawing to a diamond and you gave him a free card. Two pair is a decent holding and the board could become horrifying if a diamond hits, why not bet it?

I think he might call your flop bet with JJ,77,88 (for the set), any two diamonds (say 54s-JTs, AJ-AKs), QQ. You're in good shape against this range until the river, and then you are way behind.
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Old 07-26-2007, 11:16 PM
ocdscale ocdscale is offline
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Default Re: (50NL) there must be a better line with KK...

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Two pair is a decent holding

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You realize that the Jack barely helped our hand, right?
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Old 07-26-2007, 11:17 PM
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Default Re: (50NL) there must be a better line with KK...

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On really draw heavy boards I bite the bullet and fire turn even when top pair pairs.

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I agree, you should have bet the turn here.
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Old 07-27-2007, 01:23 AM
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Default Re: (50NL) there must be a better line with KK...

Im ok with how OP played this hand. OFten a villain will bluff bet that river with a missed diamond or a retarded 2pr. Betting the turn any amount commits us to calling a shove over.
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Old 07-27-2007, 02:19 AM
ajmargarine ajmargarine is offline
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Default Re: (50NL) there must be a better line with KK...

Push turn. Profit vs 99/TT/QQ/AdKd.
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Old 07-27-2007, 02:23 AM
SirFelixCat SirFelixCat is offline
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Default Re: (50NL) there must be a better line with KK...

Checking the turn is horrible here in a 3bet pot. The odds that villain has a J here are quite diminished, so we bet here for pure value as well as to charge any draw, not to mention it keeps us from getting bluffed off the best hand more often than not, on the river.
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Old 07-27-2007, 03:16 AM
Nytecaster Nytecaster is offline
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Default Re: (50NL) there must be a better line with KK...

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On really draw heavy boards I bite the bullet and fire turn even when top pair pairs.

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Actually, when the board comes off with a pair of the top card on the board, it has now become less likely your opponent holds that card and more likely it is a drawing hand. The downside is your position plays a huge part in how to proceed to get the most value or lose the least, depending on where you stand.
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