(Simple?) 3-bet Scenario

[Stinger88]

very interesting thread

I think A2s is by far the worst. I think I like KJ best vs an aggro opponent bc u can bet/call TP and feel good about it. I think 88 and 75s are close but I'd probably take 88.

Against a tighter opponent I think 88>75s>KJ>A2s bc u can very rarely get it in good on the flop with KJ.

[imabigdeal]

after reading some peoples' opinions who obv know what they're talking about, i admit i have had to rethink my response and might say different now. but i really don't agree with some of those who have said flat out and emphatically that one hand is better to have at this point in a hand than another. if you simply want to say one is "better" to have, pick 88, because it's technically a better hand than the others. you might be able to make a better argument for one, but i truly think that each hand has value and that it just comes down to what type of player you're against, how you play, and just personal preference.

[breitling996]

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very interesting thread

I think A2s is by far the worst. I think I like KJ best vs an aggro opponent bc u can bet/call TP and feel good about it. I think 88 and 75s are close but I'd probably take 88.

Against a tighter opponent I think 88>75s>KJ>A2s bc u can very rarely get it in good on the flop with KJ.

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[FiSheYe]

Against the discribed opponent I agree with most here that KJ seems to be the best choice, followed by 88 > 75s > A2s .. I believe that it's closer to choose between 88 and 75s than between 75s and A2s. The problem I see with 75s is that if we flop toppair or a midpair on a drawheavy board things can become pretty ugly playability-wise while with A2s the domination factor isn't as huge as ppl might assume due to the thinner Ax 3bet calling range of our opponent OOP and the decreased probability that Villain will flop an ace as well, plus we will rarely put it in with a pair of deuces but we have a reverse domination situation when flopping 2pair and definately get stacks from AQ/AK plus the nutflushdraw or a disguised straight ain't bad either. On the other hand we will rarely get action from worse hands when we flop toppair unless he check-raise bluffs a lot... Still A2s seems to be the worst of all choices to me but I have to add that I rarely 3bet with it and therefore my expierence is very limited.
I think if the scenario would play deeper 57s would benefit the most while KJ would decrease a lot..Therefore with 200bb I assume that the order would be 57s > 88 > A2s > KJ while 57s and 88 might still be close.. A2s ain't that good so deepish but the disguised 2pair/straight adds up and KJ will barely get action when flopping 2pair and we cannot jam so easily with an OESD...

Would be very interested to hear Jman's or Aba's thoughts because when it comes down to NL-theory those are the ones I would ask...

[MrTeddyKGB]

88>KJ>A2s>57s The first 2 for the reasons Strassa said but in general I think most are undervalueing A2s as you will often flop a hand like a FD and an OVER card adding to your showdown value greatly even floping a gutshot can often be only a 2-1 getting called by JJ or whatever and you will also sometimes catch him w/ smaller FD. There is also card removal effect less combos of Ax, AA (ect) plus ace will often be good when you flop one and i think you will be in a better position to play pot control w/ A2 on ace high flop than say 88 on a dry flop where you have to fear overs. Make the hand A5s and i think it is the best hand of the bunch, I also it would clearly be the best hand to 3-bet in the first place.

[auralex14]

ummmmm....ill thread

[FiSheYe]

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Jman give us your reasoning please..

[CASINOCASINO]

I gave this thread some thought, and my most favorable hands to have vs a random opponent in position with 26.5bb in the pot.
is 75s, 88, KJo, then A2s.

I prefer this method based on the level of difficulty it is to play my hand on the flop. With hands like 75s and 88 the decision to bet or to check is much more trivial then it is on a hand like KJo or A2s.

[Heyway]

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very interesting thread

I think A2s is by far the worst. I think I like KJ best vs an aggro opponent bc u can bet/call TP and feel good about it. I think 88 and 75s are close but I'd probably take 88.

Against a tighter opponent I think 88>75s>KJ>A2s bc u can very rarely get it in good on the flop with KJ.

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Best reply so far in my opinion.

[Daut44]

A2s is by far the worst and not even close
KJ def the best


KJ>>>>88>>75s>>>>&gt ;A2s