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Old 07-26-2007, 11:03 AM
Go_BroKe Go_BroKe is offline
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Default Pair + flush draw - fire the second bullet?

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $10.00
Hero (BB): $10.00
UTG: $4.80
CO: $4.90
BTN: $19.35

Preflop: Hero is dealt 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG calls $0.10, CO folds, BTN calls $0.10, SB folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.35) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $0.35</font>, UTG calls $0.35, BTN calls $0.35

Turn: ($1.40) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $1.40</font>, 2 folds
Uncalled bet of $1.40 returned to UTG

Pot Size: $1.40 ($0.10 Rake)

do you bet the flop here, or rather c/c or c/r?
when you get called, bet the turn again?
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Old 07-26-2007, 11:06 AM
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Default Re: Pair + flush draw - fire the second bullet?

i dont fold this. You got a lot of outs and will get payed off from time to time. And yes i fire that second bullet. I'd bet 0.9$ here.
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Old 07-26-2007, 11:08 AM
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Default Re: Pair + flush draw - fire the second bullet?

I probably c/c since I don't think we have enough FE to fold both and I don't mind another card coming. You can call the UTG bet I think.
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Old 07-26-2007, 11:09 AM
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Default Re: Pair + flush draw - fire the second bullet?

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i dont fold this. You got a lot of outs and will get payed off from time to time. And yes i fire that second bullet. I'd bet 0.9$ here.

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but they almost never fold an ace here. I think one of theese two guys have an ace, so I have 0 FE.
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Old 07-26-2007, 01:58 PM
Doba Doba is offline
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Default Re: Pair + flush draw - fire the second bullet?

I think I might have c/r the flop here because; It disguises your hand, narrows the range of a callers hands. If you get called you pretty much know you'll have to hit your fd to have the best hand, which means that you'll avoid having these difficult "should I call" situations later on in the hand. On the other hand it might scare your opponent enough to want to keep the pot small if he's holding an ace, wich could mean a free card on the turn (or even river).

Anyway. These are things to think about after betting the flop (as you did).

1. You do have a good draw.
2. You have the betting lead. You do have FE because:
3. People at .05/0.10 way to often call to see the turn with hands like inside draws middle pairs etc to either see if their hands improve, or:
4. Bluff if you check it.
5. If none of thos things happens they'll often fold.
6. If they call on the turn here, hope to hit your flush, or give it up.

How come you're so sure on of them have an ace? You didn't have som read you didn't tell us about, did you? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Old 07-26-2007, 04:13 PM
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Default Re: Pair + flush draw - fire the second bullet?

i think fold is fine here. C/C is probably ok but i don't like it so much, UTG is too short to make this a definite +EV move. If UTG was full buy in then Im going with it the whole way, less than 1/2 buy in and I let this go.
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Old 07-26-2007, 04:16 PM
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Default Re: Pair + flush draw - fire the second bullet?

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i dont fold this. You got a lot of outs and will get payed off from time to time. And yes i fire that second bullet. I'd bet 0.9$ here.

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I like firing again because you get to control the size of the bet. By betting .90 here we have ability to take down the pot right now, but we also save money by avoiding calling a PSB when we check to villain. Sort of a blocking bet and a 2nd barrell at the same time.
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