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Old 07-24-2007, 07:59 PM
Check_The_Nuts Check_The_Nuts is offline
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Default Re: KQs vs. LAG

no, you don't need to mix it up when you potstick the guy.

For example if he bets ~half his stack on the turn and u shove, there is no need to balance this. He's gunna call you cuz he's getting way too good odds and his entire stack is in there+he thought he had the best hand when he bet for value I dunno why he would think he's not still good.
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Old 07-24-2007, 08:01 PM
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Default Re: KQs vs. LAG

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If villian bets turn he's calling a shove.

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OP's description is that villain is VERY active and has been calling OP's cbets then bets when OP checks to him on turn. if villain folds to 2nd barrel he doesn't have an ace. If he does he's calling you. Given his aggressive nature, why not get another bet from him then on this turn on the times when he bets without an ace?

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c/ring turn is really bad. We're pricing him in to call even if he has something like pocket 9s and we have king high.

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I agree with the point that he's probably not going to fold to 80 more into a ~450 pot. But how are we pricing him in with pocket 9's? He's getting about 5.6:1 and needs about 19:1 to call / 9's.
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Old 07-24-2007, 08:23 PM
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Default Re: KQs vs. LAG

i like firing here again. if we check, he may just end up potting it and we have to fold; he could do this with a lot of marginal hands that he'll fold to a third barrel.

I fire for 115 (It's gotta be enough to price you in) and call a shove. I think he's folding a LOT here after his flop peel, so bet that [censored].
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Old 07-24-2007, 08:42 PM
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Default Re: KQs vs. LAG

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But guys, someone who is 38/28 doesn't seem capable of folding any A. CRAI would be bad because he'd call with any A right and he might fold an A to a bet?

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But how often will villain have an ace? He's 38/28, I think his ranges weigh more towards connectors and drawing hands than aces (maybe suited ace, but not many aces)
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Old 07-24-2007, 08:43 PM
Jay Riall Jay Riall is offline
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Default Re: KQs vs. LAG

Depends how lightly hes peeling the flop. If hes calling with less than an A a significant amount of the time or folds a weak Ace to a turn bet a significant amount of the time then betting is obviously best. Otherwise check/fold. This turn gets checked through and decent amount of the time though.
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Old 07-24-2007, 08:47 PM
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Default Re: KQs vs. LAG

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If villian bets turn he's calling a shove.

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OP's description is that villain is VERY active and has been calling OP's cbets then bets when OP checks to him on turn. if villain folds to 2nd barrel he doesn't have an ace. If he does he's calling you. Given his aggressive nature, why not get another bet from him then on this turn on the times when he bets without an ace?

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c/ring turn is really bad. We're pricing him in to call even if he has something like pocket 9s and we have king high.

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I agree with the point that he's probably not going to fold to 80 more into a ~450 pot. But how are we pricing him in with pocket 9's? He's getting about 5.6:1 and needs about 19:1 to call / 9's.

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vs our range.
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Old 07-24-2007, 09:24 PM
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Default Re: KQs vs. LAG

I bet again if he's been floating a lot.
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Old 07-24-2007, 11:44 PM
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crai is atrocious

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seriously, whose idea was this?? worst option ever

stack sizes make every option kinda crappy. i guess bet/call is ok if we're getting like 4:1. i'd maybe assign our pair outs the total value of 1 out since occasionally he could semibluff shove something like 77 here.
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Old 07-24-2007, 11:57 PM
ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S is offline
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Default Re: KQs vs. LAG

what about c/c and shove like any scarecard river?
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Old 07-25-2007, 12:26 AM
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what about c/c and shove like any scarecard river?

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meh...i think villan will still call with any ace. clubs arent really a huge part of my range given PF action.
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