1000th post: A quiz of sorts

[bozlax]

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A well-known poster is the BB in this hand.

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Not trying to get any sort of advantage here, but how do you know? There's a couple of "bozlax"es on a couple of different sites that I know of, neither of them are me. And the guy on 'stars that's named "Entity" isn't Rob.

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He has the right stats, is playing in the right game, and the screen names jive. It would be quite a coincidence for it not to be the same guy.

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All I'm saying is that when you run across a TAG named bozlax on FT playing 2/4, that bitch ain't me.

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LOL.. don't get all bent just because I PWN'd you the other night and start saying "that bitch ain't me"!

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I haven't left yet.

[bravos1]

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A well-known poster is the BB in this hand.

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Not trying to get any sort of advantage here, but how do you know? There's a couple of "bozlax"es on a couple of different sites that I know of, neither of them are me. And the guy on 'stars that's named "Entity" isn't Rob.

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He has the right stats, is playing in the right game, and the screen names jive. It would be quite a coincidence for it not to be the same guy.

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All I'm saying is that when you run across a TAG named bozlax on FT playing 2/4, that bitch ain't me.

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LOL.. don't get all bent just because I PWN'd you the other night and start saying "that bitch ain't me"!

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I haven't left yet.

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whachu gonna do... huh.. huh??? tuffguy!

LOL

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Has anyone said 98?

[tjfields]

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Bravos villain is a retard if he 3bets the flop with a lot of those hands.

Just because it WAS a steal situation preflop doesn't mean both players will be FOS on every street.

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I agree, but we are not talking about the flop 3bet, well at least I am not. Sykes was referring to the flop raise and was saying that we were behind his pre-flop range. If we were psychic and knew he was going to 3bet, then sure, the raise is bad. OTOH, if we were indeed psychic, we should of capped PF and bet/raised every chance. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Thanks for clarifying my mistype/misthought. At the time of the OP flop raise (NOT the 3-bet), all he had seen was a PF 3-bet of his button raise and a c-bet. All ranges mentioned for the BB are WAY tight for this situation, although they are probably right for his range once he is seen to 3-bet.

For example, stox's recommendations on hands to 3-bet from the BB vs an aggressive steal is 22+, A7o+, K8o+, Q9o+, J9o+, A3s+, K9s+, Q8s+, J9s+ (p. 94, WiTHG). While his specific conditions may not exactly apply, it does point out that the BB's range is quite wide at OP's flop decision point.

Anyone have 'stove handy against this range? I'm almost positive OP has > 50% equity against this range, even if you chop off some of the more marginal hands.

[Sykes]

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Board: Qc Jh Ts
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.205% 33.62% 07.58% 179745 40536.00 { KQo }
Hand 1: 58.795% 51.21% 07.58% 273783 40536.00 { 99+, AJs+, KQs, AJo+, KQo }


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This range is WAY to tight especially in a steal situation!!! Even more so against a known aggressive 2p2er.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

148,192,111 games 85.455 secs 1,734,153 games/sec

Board: Qc Js Td
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.086% 30.65% 05.43% 45424682 8052185.00 { 77+, A6s+, KJs+, A7o+, KJo+ }
Hand 1: 63.914% 58.48% 05.43% 86663290 8052185.00 { KQo }

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Are you dumb?

A6s?
A7o?

If you're a 2+2 that's 3 betting these out of bb with these, you're terrible.

And you know what, you definately dont have A6/A7 or 77 when you 3bet this flop.

[tjfields]

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Are you dumb?


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Quite likely. And nitty, to boot.

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A6s?
A7o?

If you're a 2+2 that's 3 betting these out of bb with these, you're terrible.


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Please see my post with stox's recommendations. Admittedly, this is merely an appeal to authority and A7o and A6s are near the bottom of his ranges, but there are a lot more K and Q-high hands that are being 3-bet from BB in steal situations that you are ahead of on the flop.

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And you know what, you definately dont have A6/A7 or 77 when you 3bet this flop.

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Now this is true, and the previously discussed ranges come more into play [b]after the 3-bet on the flop[b]

[Marquis]

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Please see my post with stox's recommendations. Admittedly, this is merely an appeal to authority and A7o and A6s are near the bottom of his ranges, but there are a lot more K and Q-high hands that are being 3-bet from BB in steal situations that you are ahead of on the flop.


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I knew I played it perfectly!

/I read the stox book

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Board: Qc Jh Ts
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.205% 33.62% 07.58% 179745 40536.00 { KQo }
Hand 1: 58.795% 51.21% 07.58% 273783 40536.00 { 99+, AJs+, KQs, AJo+, KQo }


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This range is WAY to tight especially in a steal situation!!! Even more so against a known aggressive 2p2er.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

148,192,111 games 85.455 secs 1,734,153 games/sec

Board: Qc Js Td
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.086% 30.65% 05.43% 45424682 8052185.00 { 77+, A6s+, KJs+, A7o+, KJo+ }
Hand 1: 63.914% 58.48% 05.43% 86663290 8052185.00 { KQo }

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Are you dumb?


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NOPE!
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A6s?
A7o?


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Are you weak/tight? If you don't understand how A6s can be a 3bet vs a person that is going to steal w/ a vast amount of hands, then you are gonna get raped in blind defenses.

Granted, I'm not gonna 3bet A6s against a random, but against a known agressive/blind stealing 2p2er, A6s is possibly fine here, even if at the bottom of the list.
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If you're a 2+2 that's 3 betting these out of bb with these, you're terrible.

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LOL..um OK, I'm terrible [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] What about 77 or 88 or ATs?? Do you not 3bet those either?

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And you know what, you definately dont have A6/A7 or 77 when you 3bet this flop.

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Well that I agree with, but alas we do not know he is going to 3bet the flop without calling Miss Cleo!

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For example, stox's recommendations on hands to 3-bet from the BB vs an aggressive steal is 22+, A7o+, K8o+, Q9o+, J9o+, A3s+, K9s+, Q8s+, J9s+ (p. 94, WiTHG). While his specific conditions may not exactly apply, it does point out that the BB's range is quite wide at OP's flop decision point.

Anyone have 'stove handy against this range? I'm almost positive OP has > 50% equity against this range, even if you chop off some of the more marginal hands.

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Replying to my own post.

Against stox's recommendations:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

33,519,338 games 19.565 secs 1,713,229 games/sec

Board: Qc Jh Ts
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 65.854% 60.67% 05.33% 20337714 1787931.00 { KQo }
Hand 1: 34.146% 28.89% 05.33% 9684713 1787947.50 { 22+, A3s+, K9s+, Q8s+, J9s+, A7o+, K8o+, Q9o+, J9o+ }

The hand range at which KQo has about 50% equity, from a bit of fiddling:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

16,034,780 games 9.688 secs 1,655,117 games/sec

Board: Qc Jh Ts
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.844% 43.25% 07.60% 6935219 1217919.00 { KQo }
Hand 1: 49.156% 41.56% 07.60% 6664669 1217919.50 { 77+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, AJo+, KQo }

That's the top 10.3% of hands FWIW.

[V4P]

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For example, stox's recommendations on hands to 3-bet from the BB vs an aggressive steal is 22+, A7o+, K8o+, Q9o+, J9o+, A3s+, K9s+, Q8s+, J9s+ (p. 94, WiTHG). While his specific conditions may not exactly apply, it does point out that the BB's range is quite wide at OP's flop decision point.

Anyone have 'stove handy against this range? I'm almost positive OP has > 50% equity against this range, even if you chop off some of the more marginal hands.

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Replying to my own post.

Against stox's recommendations:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

33,519,338 games 19.565 secs 1,713,229 games/sec

Board: Qc Jh Ts
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 65.854% 60.67% 05.33% 20337714 1787931.00 { KQo }
Hand 1: 34.146% 28.89% 05.33% 9684713 1787947.50 { 22+, A3s+, K9s+, Q8s+, J9s+, A7o+, K8o+, Q9o+, J9o+ }

The hand range at which KQo has about 50% equity, from a bit of fiddling:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

16,034,780 games 9.688 secs 1,655,117 games/sec

Board: Qc Jh Ts
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.844% 43.25% 07.60% 6935219 1217919.00 { KQo }
Hand 1: 49.156% 41.56% 07.60% 6664669 1217919.50 { 77+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, AJo+, KQo }

That's the top 10.3% of hands FWIW.

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Please stop referring to Stox's book...seriously

.5/1 6max games are not tough, aggressive, and the players can't read hands

The goal is to get value from your hand when you're ahead, and lose the least when you're behind. Getting your opponent to fold 66 on this flop isn't a victory

On this flop, you aren't getting paid off by many hands to warrent a raise, however, you will be paying the max when behind