Fire turn? - Page 4

PokerBob · #31 07-24-2007, 03:43 AM

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why doubt we're getting raised?

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you think hoss is not raising the flop with a pair with that moron in the pot who may now have to put in 2 bets on the flop with a hand like A5???

daryn · #32 07-24-2007, 08:58 AM

honestly i believe hoss could call this flop with almost any pair or no pair, and still jack it up on the turn

DpR · #33 07-24-2007, 03:13 PM

I think Hoss can definitely raise here, with or without a pair. The BB, really should almost never be raising however.

I don't think that is a compelling enough factor not to bet though. I don't think anyone at these stakes is thinking "oh no, I MIGHT get raised, let me give up my fold equity and c/c".

Obviously there are times when betting doesnt work out as hero would like it. But overall, IMO, betting will be the best play by a significant margin.

PokerBob · #34 07-24-2007, 04:24 PM

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honestly i believe hoss could call this flop with almost any pair or no pair, and still jack it up on the turn

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i agree, and think that because of this bet/3bet>>>>check/call.

daryn · #35 07-24-2007, 04:46 PM

why? you think hoss is folding to a 3 bet??

PokerBob · #36 07-24-2007, 04:52 PM

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why? you think hoss is folding to a 3 bet??

[/ QUOTE ]if he doesn't have anything, yes. and i think if he pops this turn he is likely to be FOS.

pfkaok · #37 07-24-2007, 06:14 PM

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if he doesn't have anything, yes. and i think if he pops this turn he is likely to be FOS.

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If he has nothing, then our hand is good and we can call down... while he might fold a 6 outer to us, he probably is very unlikely to fold a better hand. I don't know Hoss, but know that he's a very good player and is tilting, so thats not the type of guy to 3bt bluff here. And we have outs, so why would we want to put more $$ in here if he raises us on the turn? And we'd allow him to cap w/ anythying good.

Also, like you I haven't played near this high, or against HOss, but just from the fact that he's a very good player, I think you are waaaay off that he won't ever just call the flop w/ a pair. Would you ALWAYS, raise there w/ any pair?

PokerBob · #38 07-24-2007, 06:51 PM

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if he doesn't have anything, yes. and i think if he pops this turn he is likely to be FOS.

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If he has nothing, then our hand is good and we can call down...

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with Q-high? you really doing that?

Schneids · #39 07-24-2007, 07:05 PM

I can't really explain why but I don't think I would bet the turn.

And I do think a lot of you are underestimating the frequency at least one of these two do have a pair on the flop.

pfkaok · #40 07-24-2007, 07:32 PM

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with Q-high? you really doing that?

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Well, I mean you gotta call the turn, and then if its HU, and its a blankish river, and I think he's bluffing enough then yeah, I'd call the river. And, I just don't think he's folding any pair too often here, so maybe a 3bet could get him to fold K high, thats probably the only way the bluff would work...

also, I strongly believe, that somebody in Hoss' spot ALWAYS raising that flop w/ any pair, and being a very good player are, in fact mutually exclusive... so, since I believe Hoss is very good, that pairs are definately part of his range.