New Player Gets in a Mess

raze720 · #1 07-24-2007, 03:46 AM

FullTiltPoker Game #3042472920: Table Brown (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 3:06:05 ET - 2007/07/24
Seat 1: Player1 ($196.60)
Seat 2: Player2 ($22.55)
Seat 3: Player3 ($48.25)
Seat 4: Hero ($72.95)
Seat 5: Player4 ($196.60)
Seat 6: Player5 ($50.65)
Player4 posts the small blind of $0.25
Player5 posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero As Qc Kh Ks
Player1 calls $0.50
Player2 has 15 seconds left to act
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Hero raises to $2.25
Player4 raises to $7.75
Player5 folds
Player1 folds
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero calls $5.50
*** FLOP *** [7h Ad 3c]
Player4 has 15 seconds left to act
Player4 bets $16.50
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero calls $16.50
*** TURN *** [7h Ad 3c] [Kc]
Player4 has 15 seconds left to act
Player4 bets $49.50
Hero ???

1. Is calling the flop bet from an unknown ok?
2. Is calling the turn ok?

TimsterToo · #2 07-24-2007, 05:19 AM

You didn't have the best of hands on the flop, player 4's reraise preflop would even suggest an AAxx hand and you're way behind then as you're pretty much drawing dead.

So it all depends on your perception of villains holding, if you don't put him on AAxx then the turn card is fantastic for you and you shouldn't call but pot him. The only things that beat you are draws and you should charge him for that.

If he calls the turn you're kinda hoping for a 2 or a 9 wich are not clubs as those are the only cards left that don't complete any possible draws out there but all the money is in there already anyways so no hard decisions left anymore.

KingsTown · #3 07-24-2007, 07:26 AM

With no read do you call the flop?

TimsterToo · #4 07-24-2007, 10:43 AM

No, definitely not. I either bluff raise or simply fold. More folding then bluff raising.

Actually, I just fold. This guy is screaming AA and on the flop I have no hand to contest him. By not pushing preflop he knows I don't have it.

TheRempel · #5 07-24-2007, 12:18 PM

Exactly what hands are you bluffraising out on a A73 board that beat you when you have AKKQ? I'm pretty sure AA isn't folding.

To the op, against a less active passive opponent the flop is an easy fold, as played get it in on the turn, there is exactly one two card combination that beats you.

TimsterToo · #6 07-24-2007, 06:11 PM

I'm pretty sure that I edited my post before you posted yours.

Please explain what you're trying to accomplish here?? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

TheRempel · #7 07-24-2007, 06:48 PM

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No, definitely not. I either bluff raise or simply fold. More folding then bluff raising.

Actually, I just fold. This guy is screaming AA and on the flop I have no hand to contest him. By not pushing preflop he knows I don't have it.

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You indicated you would either bluff raise the A73 flop or fold, when you effectively cannot possibly be bluffing because he either has AA and you are behind or doesn't and you are ahead, except for when he has A7/A3 and he is probably not folding in those spots either. In other words, you aren't making a hell of a lot of sense.

TimsterToo · #8 07-24-2007, 07:09 PM

No I edited it to:

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Actually, I just fold. This guy is screaming AA and on the flop I have no hand to contest him. By not pushing preflop he knows I don't have it.

[/ QUOTE ]

But hey, why would you actually read posts you're replying to?

TheRempel · #9 07-24-2007, 07:24 PM

You are probably not a native English speaker so it's forgivable, but in the future if you don't want people to question your posts after you've made a really dumb edit, you should actually go and change the whole post rather than just add a line at the end that totally contradicts everything you said before it.

turtlestar · #10 07-24-2007, 09:05 PM

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To the op, against a less active passive opponent the flop is an easy fold, as played get it in on the turn, there is exactly one two card combination that beats you.

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OP, please read and reread Rempel's post. This gives you the information you need for the play of THIS hand. In the future, when you call a 3bet preflop, you should have a really good idea of what your actions will be postflop based on board texture. Knowing villains 3bet range will allow you to play well postflop.