NL25 - Contibet or not?

OMGJuliet · #1 07-24-2007, 06:59 AM

Hand 1)
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($52.25)
MP ($16.70)
CO ($29.85)
Button ($6.60)
SB ($25)
Hero ($25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, 3 folds, Hero raises to $1.5, MP calls $1.25.

Flop: ($3.10) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $2.25, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $3.10

Hand 2)
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MP ($26.60)
CO ($3.50)
Button ($37.70)
Hero ($25.35)
BB ($10)
UTG ($34.10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises to $1, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $1.5, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $2

What hands does he flatcall with preflop to fold to one bet on this flop? He won't fold a PP, his SC might have hit and also he probably has a draw.
If he calls i am oop and don't have too many outs in both cases. Would you contibet in this spot? Since my contbets get reraised 60% generally i thought it'd be better to c/f here.

prodonkey · #2 07-24-2007, 07:02 AM

Well I don't raise JQo out of my bb usually.

I would not c-bet the 1st flop.. and I would the 2nd.

OMGJuliet · #3 07-24-2007, 07:48 AM

Can you explain why plz? Both, explain why not to try to steal the pot preflop w/ QJo and why to contibet or not.
more opinions?

prodonkey · #4 07-24-2007, 07:52 AM

board in hand 1 is pretty coordinated.. no flush draws though. I don't c-bet flops like those often because villains pretty much call with anything putting you on AK or 2 big cards. 2 pairs and straights are very possible, I will c-bet if I know villain likes to limp with big broadway cards.. but this kind of flop probably hit a limper, a lot more than it did you.

2nd flop nothing is really connected, you don't really have to worry about 2 pair unless it's 34 on that board. There really aren't any draws. It would be better if the 9 were paint, but it's still a board I'm c-betting, and I might double barrel if they like to call with stuff like 5's here.

dersl · #5 07-24-2007, 08:13 AM

always make a contunuation bet headsup, any2 on any flop

hand 1 preflop raise is standard imo

prodonkey · #6 07-24-2007, 08:14 AM

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always make a contunuation bet headsup, any2 on any flop

hand 1 preflop raise is standard imo

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I think c-betting 100% of the time on any flop is a leak.

dersl · #7 07-24-2007, 08:19 AM

I'm not c-betting the flop 100% of the time, only when heads-up...
there is absolutely no way that you can make an educated guess like you tried to do without PT-stats to guess his range of hands.
its a big leak not to cbet headsup!

mvdgaag · #8 07-24-2007, 08:28 AM

Even headsup it's a leak imo... unless your pfr range is very tight so you'll have a big pair a large percentage of the time... Than your leak would be in raising to few hands.

EDIT: HU anything between 70% and 95% depending on your style is fine IMO...

TITHEAD · #9 07-24-2007, 08:51 AM

I C/F these flops unless you have reads on the players. Unless you have any kind or read or play time with the vilans then C/F is standard.

Personally i continuation bet with pairs and A X

Brian O'Nolan · #10 07-24-2007, 09:25 AM

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I think c-betting 100% of the time on any flop is a big leak.

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