Hand versus Huck Seed Day 3 WSOP

[The B]

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based on the way you played it...shove

*** if Huck calls with 2 overs, assuming he doesn't have you crushed with an overpair, you're playing an AI pot and risking 145K chips on Day 3 with 99..I don't like it ***

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What do you mean "based on the way you played it"??? Like he did something wrong raising 4x in the blinds with 99? You would have limped or what?

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playing 99 OOP against chip leader (and damn good player)

why is limping and trying to flop a set such a bad play...I don't like risking 145K chips in that spot (that's what he did and he was a 4:1 dog)

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Because that's really results-oriented thinking. 99 is waaaaaaay too good of a hand to open-limp from the SB and play for set value. Do you open limp with AQo here and play for two-pair value?

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I agree with you....but when you raise w/99 in this spot and the BB plays back at you, then what? you have to decide if you wanna flip a coin for your stack (or be crushed by overpair)

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based on the way you played it...shove

*** if Huck calls with 2 overs, assuming he doesn't have you crushed with an overpair, you're playing an AI pot and risking 145K chips on Day 3 with 99..I don't like it ***

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What do you mean "based on the way you played it"??? Like he did something wrong raising 4x in the blinds with 99? You would have limped or what?

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playing 99 OOP against chip leader (and damn good player)

why is limping and trying to flop a set such a bad play...I don't like risking 145K chips in that spot (that's what he did and he was a 4:1 dog)

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Because that's really results-oriented thinking. 99 is waaaaaaay too good of a hand to open-limp from the SB and play for set value. Do you open limp with AQo here and play for two-pair value?

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I agree with you....but when you raise w/99 in this spot and the BB plays back at you, then what? you have to decide if you wanna flip a coin for your stack (or be crushed by overpair)

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hence this thread

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I agree with you....but when you raise w/99 in this spot and the BB plays back at you, then what? you have to decide if you wanna flip a coin for your stack (or be crushed by overpair)

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If you hadn't considered what to do if the BB re-raises, then you made a terrible mistake with the raise in the first place. If you make that precise raise, you have to jam no matter what his re-raise.

Of course, the higher question of what to do with a hand like 99 in the SB vs. a reasonably tight player but who is capable of a resteal is just pukey.

Were there other BvB situations vs. Huck? I like to keep my SB vs. BB play very rigid, always 3.5xBB or so just to give off no reads and crush his odds to call with junk.

[Caldarooni]

Auto-shoving this hand is gross.

[ZJ123]

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Auto-shoving this hand is gross.

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not really

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Yeah, if one of the math guys can figure out what percentage of hands he needs to be raising with in order for a push to be correct if his calling range is TT+, AK, that would be interesting. I mean, I'm sure you're right, but it'd still be interesting.

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I will give it shot:
assume he calls with TT+, AK (3.5% of total hands)

When we jam, and he folds, our stack is 173k
When we jam, and he calls, our expected stack is 75k (243k x 31% equity)

So, we need him to fold about 72% of the time. If he calls with 3.5% of total hands, then he would need to reraise with about 12.5% of all hands. If we don't think he does this with air, then his repopping range would need to look something like 22+,A8s+,KJs+,ATo+,KQo.

Based on OP's read, I think a jam is good. After reading Gavin's thoughts on his style, I think a jam is bad. Although if we had previously been aggressive, it gets a lot closer to a jam.

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All of this percentage this, +EV that. Whatever. I like that stuff when talking theory but this is a known entity, real blood and guts no straw. This guys style is tight/aggressive and everything should be decided based on him not any cold calculations. Automatic fold. He might be stealing but not very likely. Like most pro's who play his style, when he re-raises huge it means he has it and wants you to call. I think your raise was too high. Why not 2.5xBB? Easier to get away and if he re-raises, it will be an answer to your raise, so most likely a lot less than 25k which allows you to play. But of course the problem is you should be avoiding pots against him altogether since he will eat you alive on the flop. Whatever happened to picking to play against weaker players and avoiding the best players? No math there, just common sense. but if you insist you could just go all-in since your game seems to warrant the "I suck and can't play after the flop" style trumpeted everywhere on this site. Good advice but why sit there for three days when you can just go to the casino floor.

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All of this percentage this, +EV that. Whatever. I like that stuff when talking theory but this is a known entity, real blood and guts no straw. This guys style is tight/aggressive and everything should be decided based on him not any cold calculations. Automatic fold. He might be stealing but not very likely. Like most pro's who play his style, when he re-raises huge it means he has it and wants you to call. I think your raise was too high. Why not 2.5xBB? Easier to get away and if he re-raises, it will be an answer to your raise, so most likely a lot less than 25k which allows you to play. But of course the problem is you should be avoiding pots against him altogether since he will eat you alive on the flop. Whatever happened to picking to play against weaker players and avoiding the best players? No math there, just common sense. but if you insist you could just go all-in since your game seems to warrant the "I suck and can't play after the flop" style trumpeted everywhere on this site. Good advice but why sit there for three days when you can just go to the casino floor.

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What the hell are you talking about?

[flyingmoose]

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All of this percentage this, +EV that. Whatever. I like that stuff when talking theory but this is a known entity, real blood and guts no straw. This guys style is tight/aggressive and everything should be decided based on him not any cold calculations. Automatic fold. He might be stealing but not very likely. Like most pro's who play his style, when he re-raises huge it means he has it and wants you to call. I think your raise was too high. Why not 2.5xBB? Easier to get away and if he re-raises, it will be an answer to your raise, so most likely a lot less than 25k which allows you to play. But of course the problem is you should be avoiding pots against him altogether since he will eat you alive on the flop. Whatever happened to picking to play against weaker players and avoiding the best players? No math there, just common sense. but if you insist you could just go all-in since your game seems to warrant the "I suck and can't play after the flop" style trumpeted everywhere on this site. Good advice but why sit there for three days when you can just go to the casino floor.

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Ooohhhhh, so that's how poker works. My bad.

[SamG]

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It's not going to stop you going broke, but I wouldn't open for so much.

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You guys know there's a pretty big ante at this point, right? We're also out of position against a very good player.