$60 L4 AK

Little John · #1 07-23-2007, 07:46 PM

villian is (42/8) 24 hands, no notes but i assum he really bad.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

SB (t2600)
BB (t2000)
UTG (t1215)
UTG+1 (t1200)
MP1 (t1350)
Hero (t1560)
CO (t2060)
Button (t1515)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to t250, 3 folds, BB calls t150.

Flop: (t550) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t550) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets t200, Hero calls t200.

River: (t950) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets t200, Hero raises to t600

suzzer99 · #2 07-23-2007, 07:59 PM

Why would you check behind a) in a SNG, b) facing a calling station, c) both??? Bad. No.

I refuse to even analyze the rest of the hand out of punishment to you.

Edit: grrrr, ok, when a CS leads small on the river like that, he very often has a 9 or 4. Yes you may get some value from another ace. But just as likely if not more you're boned. IE - raise is worthless.

Little John · #3 07-23-2007, 08:29 PM

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Why would you check behind a) in a SNG, b) facing a calling station, c) both??? Bad. No.

I refuse to even analyze the rest of the hand out of punishment to you.

Edit: grrrr, ok, when a CS leads small on the river like that, he very often has a 9 or 4. Yes you may get some value from another ace. But just as likely if not more you're boned. IE - raise is worthless.

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The turn and river are kinda a mess but i was most interested in the flop check behind.

I'm just tired of c-beting TPTK on an Axx flop and having villian fold. Board is not that drawy and I want to get some value from small/middle pocket pairs. PLUS IN A SNG ICON VIDEO, ICON HAD SIMILAR HAND AND SAID HE WOULD HAVE CHECKED BEHIND ON FLOP (IF HE HIT IT). So I wanted to try and be like an icon. Also, if the turn card is a J/Q/K villian can catch a piece and then will donate a big chunk of his chips.

On the river, i figured 55-88 or Ax, and after donking a couple of streets I for sure wanted some value.

suzzer99 · #4 07-23-2007, 08:54 PM

Was he playing against a 42/8 in the SNG icon vid? I agree checking behind isn't terrible (except that every single time I do it it blows up in my face), but not here. Heart draw + calling station + chance of stacking if he has an ace = bet every time to me. Also I cbet almost everytime so it doesn't always mean I have an ace. But I wouldn't expect a guy like this to notice that.

Now as to the river, I don't think this guy leads out w/o at least an ace. And the other two options are bad for you. So after I pussy-footed around and played pattycake with the guy for two streets, I would just call.

FoldYourLife · #5 07-23-2007, 09:05 PM

Against a random donk you want to bet this flop 100% of the time. Stack all of his weaker aces.

sippin_criss · #6 07-23-2007, 09:50 PM

Agree w/ suzzer and probably anyone else esp vs this type of player. Bet flop but as played I think river is a flat and you can't really do anything else. I'd almost prefer a fold to a raise there.

darinvg · #7 07-24-2007, 10:16 AM

I bet the flop since there's a heart draw. I c-bet a lot so I just go w/ it. No draws at all I'll check. As played just check river.

allhappythoughts · #8 07-24-2007, 10:43 AM

I don't know, 2 hearts looks to me like it's a pretty drawy board. Checking behind and giving someone a free card isn't always bad, I agree, and it's frustrating to not get any value for TPTK but this is a bad board for checking behind--it's not a strong enough hand to slowplay, and you have only the other K's and A's to improve your hand, which isn't likely. Bet it 100% of the time IMO. Giving free cards on boards like this tends to be a recipe for disaster. On the river I just call, since I'm only beating 55+ and a lower Ax.