How would you handle this?

[slickterp]

Personally, in the game I host, saying "you got it" forfeits your right to the pot.

[JacksonMassey]

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5. Any player who has been dealt in may request to see any hand that has been called, even if the opponent's hand or the winning hand has been mucked. However, this is a privilege that may be revoked if abused. If a player other than the pot winner asks to see a hand that has been folded, that hand is dead. If the winning player asks to see a losing player’s hand, both hands are live, and the best hand wins.

I take this to mean that the called player does not have to show their cards, unless requested by the winning player.

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You're confusing different points of the game. This rule deals with after the showdown, i.e. after the pot is awarded. This would apply if someone bets as a bluff and is called, and the bluffer mucks. The winner doesn't have to show to collect the pot, but IWTSTH could be invoked.

If there's aggression on the river, the last aggressor shows first. You are calling to see the hand. You are paying for the privilege. Think of it this way. "I am betting $5 I have the best hand." "I don't believe you. Here's $5. Prove it." The onus is on the person claiming to have the best hand to demonstrate s/he has the best hand. Only after that point are others required to dispute that claim with proof.

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If I am wrong in this case, I'd love to find out why.

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You are wrong because you misunderstood the wording.

However, having said all of that, if you feel you have the best hand, just show it, regardless of who is "supposed" to show first.

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After getting away for the weekend, and spending some time thinking about this, I realized how wrong my assumption here was. I think the actual hand we had was a three way pot with betting on the turn that got checked on the river. In this case, the aggressor was on the button, and since it was checked three ways, the button was the last that needed to show, and he mucked. The discussion we had was whether that was cool or not, since he was technically the last aggressor and was called.

So, I'm mixing up different issues and confusing the situation. Thanks for clearing it up.

[Yaboosh]

If the river is checked through, it is often shown down starting with the first to act, though that is something that is certainly flexible and could be changed to the last to make an aggressive action (though no aggressive calls should be counted).

[quirkasaurus]

in a home game -- cards speak -- if someone throws their
hand into the muck at showdown, they lose, period, no
matter what the other guy said.

of course -- the "cards speak" rule is loudly announced
at the start of the evening. in this way -- the whole
room screams "CARDS SPEAK" if someone thinks they can
muck their cards and grab a pot.

[pfapfap]

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The discussion we had was whether that was cool or not, since he was technically the last aggressor and was called.

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Yes, it's fine for him to muck, since the betting was on a previous street. It's also okay for him to muck if he was the last aggressor. I don't know about you, but I want all of my opponents to muck, especially after betting is over. I guarantee you that at whatever level you play, the holdings of any particular hand don't matter at all. If you want to be a super-nit, try to invoke IWTSTH, but understand that it's incredibly rude and outside the spirit of the game to do so.

[JacksonMassey]

I never ask to see an opponents hand if they choose to muck. We've got a group of folks that have been playing together fairly steadily for about two years, so we all have fairly good reads on one another. There's not much to gain from seeing the cards, anymore.

Considering how long we've been playing, it seems really weird to be having some of the rule problems I've been having, but I think it's just become so run-of-the-mill that I don't really think about some of the more basic rules, anymore.

[PhatPots]

Player A wins the pots and its not even close. I can only see him declaring "You got it" if he is a newb who didn't realize he had a straight or if he wanted to see player B's cards.

Either way, how does player B win this pot without a showdown? In my home games, or even in the casino, when there is a showdown, someone shows thier cards. If no one shows their hand, I would request to see it (100% of the time in a casino).

[paddymcg21]

Since when does "nice call, you got it" mean "I fold"? That's nonsense surely! Ive heard many people say that after being called and then they flip their cards to realise they have the best of it and take the pot. The real question is did he throw his cards face down in a forward motion after he said this. Saying "nice call, you got it" is not a fold!