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Old 07-23-2007, 11:20 AM
StrictlyStrategy StrictlyStrategy is offline
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Default Too weak with AA? Live 20

Villain is an old Korean fish who I've played a ton with in the 10. He's one of three reasons I am sitting.

A fish opens UTG1, three folds and I go 60 with two red Aces.

Korean, who is running well and plays his rush every time he does, instacalls from the SB .(I've seen him do this from UTG in the same situation with Q9s and much worse)
Flop comes QJ4 with two clubs, checks to me, I bet, Korean checkraises, other guy folds and I call.

Turn's an 8 and I call down?
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:40 AM
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Default Re: Too weak with AA? Live 20

Might depend on how heavy he plays his rushes, but I 3-bet this flop and see what happens from there.

As played, I like a turn raise if you can fold to a 3-bet or if he calls and donks a bricked river (although at that point I would just really love to see what he had).
Because villian is described as Korean fish, I don't hate a call down either.
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:42 AM
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Default Re: Too weak with AA? Live 20

Just to clarify, Villain limped utg and then cold called your 3-bet?
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:44 AM
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Default Re: Too weak with AA? Live 20

I edited the post. He called three from the SB. If he had limped in I'd have 3bet the flop.
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Old 07-23-2007, 12:15 PM
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Default Re: Too weak with AA? Live 20

3-bet flop. As played, raise/fold turn.
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Old 07-23-2007, 12:26 PM
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Default Re: Too weak with AA? Live 20

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3-bet flop. As played, raise/fold turn.

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Why are we raise/folding turn when a call gets us to showdown for the same price?
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Old 07-23-2007, 12:31 PM
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Default Re: Too weak with AA? Live 20

I think folding is bad here, I could be wrong but if he has two pair which is more likely than a set and a lot more likely than a straight I still have like 8 outs to pwn him, and he'll 3bet two pair on the turn here.
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Old 07-23-2007, 12:52 PM
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Default Re: Too weak with AA? Live 20

Extremely player dependent. What have you seen him checkraise w/ before? If he's generally passive and only checkraises w/ top pair or better, then your line is ok.

Personally, against the korean guys i play with, I'm putting in a raise every time.
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Old 07-23-2007, 12:57 PM
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I think folding is bad here, I could be wrong but if he has two pair which is more likely than a set and a lot more likely than a straight I still have like 8 outs to pwn him, and he'll 3bet two pair on the turn here.

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I was about to say the same thing. I don't like raise/folding the turn unless you know he won't 3-bet with just two pair - which doesn't seem like a safe assumption for a fish on a rush.

I can't really think of another way to play this hand, except for maybe 3-betting the flop. Even if this guy has a club draw, he'll probably follow through with a river bet when he misses (he is on a rush, after all) so you really don't give up very much by calling him down.

Actually, I kinda like call flop, call turn, and raise a non-scary river. That should get max value out of a Q, and unless he's really nuts you can easily fold to the river 3-bet.
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Old 07-23-2007, 01:08 PM
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Default Re: Too weak with AA? Live 20

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3-bet flop. As played, raise/fold turn.

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Why are we raise/folding turn when a call gets us to showdown for the same price?

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Wins more when we are ahead. Also, the times we get 3-bet are rare on this board considering we have take a "give me all your money" line wuith a holding that looks like QQ/JJ. I'm fine calling down though in case you want to counterfeit his 2-pair holdings and because the pot is big. Calling down after getting 3-bet would be terrible though.

I avoid all this by 3-betting the flop.
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