NL50 - Interesting turn decision

[Daniel LeClaire]

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what FE?
If he shoves, he's only shoving KK,AA,AK against which we have 21.67% equity, when we'd need about 24.4% equity.

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You have a good enough read to know exactly what he's shoving? Add in one more hand and what happens to our equity?

[shoxbb6]

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what FE?
If he shoves, he's only shoving KK,AA,AK against which we have 21.67% equity, when we'd need about 24.4% equity.

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You have a good enough read to know exactly what he's shoving? Add in one more hand and what happens to our equity?

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What is he shoving with as opposed to checking behind? You think he's shoving QQ,KQ here?

[homeslice]

th only way your going to win this pot, is to shove.

[Daniel LeClaire]

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What is he shoving with as opposed to checking behind? You think he's shoving QQ,KQ here?

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I think once in awhile we see something surprising. I won't fool myself into thinking I know his exact range.

If others want to c/c or c/f that is fine. I think shoving is the best play IMO though.

[prodonkey]

So he has specifically AA, KK or AK.. he can't have KQ, or was screwing around with J's or something? What are you doing if he shoves? folding?

[shoxbb6]

I'd hate it, but ya, I seriously doubt he would shove KQ in this spot.

[prodonkey]

my head is going to explode. So you'll be getting 3.1:1 on a 2.54:1 shot and you want to fold then?

[shoxbb6]

What range do you think he's shoving as opposed to checking behind?

[prodonkey]

I'd shove almost everything if hero checks. I've seen people make this play on me tons.. small check raise of the preflop raiser, then check.. they got crap every time. But that's beside the point. Ya you are prolly gonna get a free card sometimes, but I also think he folds sometimes.

You seem to think getting a free card if he has KQ is a great thing.. is he going to call a shove with KQ or JJ, QQ? If he is, then it's +ev to shove, if he only calls with AA, KK and AK its very slightly -ev as you need 3.18:1 and you're getting 3.1:1, and if he folds.. that's +ev too since you don't have to hit your hand to win.

[shoxbb6]

I don't think he call the flop c/r with any of those hands, maybe even KQ. I think his range for calling the flop c/r is really tight, and the A helps him if he called the flop c/r w/ the Ax of spades