JTs flopped flush line check

coatsie · #1 07-22-2007, 11:30 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB (t1785)
UTG (t1450)
MP1 (t1310)
MP2 (t2750)
Hero (t1570)
Button (t1695)
SB (t2940)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP1 calls t30, MP2 calls t30, Hero calls t30, Button raises to t120, 2 folds, MP1 calls t90, MP2 calls t90, Hero calls t90.

Flop: (t525) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks, Button bets t120, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero calls t120.

Turn: (t765) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t360, Button calls t360.

River: (t1485) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t360

MelchyBeau · #2 07-22-2007, 11:54 AM

i don't really like the check call on the flop. Betting out is best here I think

WCGRider · #3 07-22-2007, 11:58 AM

Always bet flop, if another heart comes down you could lose your stack.

registrar · #4 07-22-2007, 12:03 PM

As a general rule of thumb, it's not a good line if you haven't got your stack in on the river.

I'd lead the flop for whatever seems appropriate and take it from there. By appropriate, whatever you think people would expect you to do with TP, or an overpair or a single big heart. It's also important to think how you can manage the pot in such a way that the river prices in any made hand.

This is easy enough here because the pot is already 1/3 your stack on the flop so probably 240ish to go on the flop which leaves you a pot-sized bet behind on the turn assuming one caller. Then it all depends on position of callers. Obviously, good things can also happen on the flop if you bet: sets are somewhat obliged to push, A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] might push etc.

FWIW, check-call monotone flop, lead turn looks really strong (or, consequently, bluffy depending on your opponent).

registrar · #5 07-22-2007, 12:06 PM

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FYP.

ThePershore · #6 07-22-2007, 12:11 PM

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FYP.

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Agree... bet flop at least t300, bet turn 2/3 pot or whatever, but more than you did, and as played bet more on river or check if he's likely to bluff at it.

ssnyc · #7 07-22-2007, 01:08 PM

raise flop...bet a little more 2/3 pot or so on turn...bet more on river...proably push...I mean you're not folding and he invested a lot already...try to get mooooreee valuueee

MJBuddy · #8 07-22-2007, 01:21 PM

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raise flop...bet a little more 2/3 pot or so on turn...bet more on river...proably push...I mean you're not folding and he invested a lot already...try to get mooooreee valuueee

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I don't like raises on flops because you shut down your fish. I think just betting out is fine. Here your raise might work because he looks like he's on a draw, but if he's savvy he'll just let it go knowing he's beat.

ssnyc · #9 07-22-2007, 01:24 PM

MJ...when I start seeing savvy play at lower levels I'll adjust...lol...I guess I just want to see a larger pot built earlier so we can get it in...barring a 4 flush we have to get max value here and after he starts committing I want to step up my bet sizes a bit so I can get a big river bet/push in

MJBuddy · #10 07-22-2007, 01:39 PM

I'm going to build a pot by betting out here though, not raising a weak bet. A raise means "Big hand" or "You don't have a hand"

If they're on a draw, they'll call anyway. If they have top pair, they might throw it away. But if I lead out, both are calling, and I'm going to lead out a fairly large amount here.