8-10s flop shove in 3-bet pot

[FionnMac]

SB is Kowaino, aggro TAG, 3-bets me light etc. BB is not a reg, prob a fish, no real reads though (which is why my play prob sucks). Thoughts on pf and possibility of calling flop also appreciated. Obv i have the backdoor flush goin on too so i have to shove right? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG ($680)
MP ($973.03)
Hero ($777.95)
SB ($1081.25)
BB ($653.56)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $22</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $75</font>, BB calls $69, Hero calls $53.

Flop: ($225) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $135</font>, BB calls $135, Hero calls $702.95 (All-In)

[Tillerman112]

i know him pretty good i guess and i think he wont shove without a set or an overpair against 2 villains here. so fold. If u ware playing hu i would go crai AI

[jpsnow]

Yea if your heads up here this is almost def a CR AI. Without reads on opponent this is tough. I think he (BB) probably has TT -&gt; QQ here. I think its up to you to determine whether he folds that enough.

This probably isnt too bad though. If your playing the hand for a 3 bet pot in the first place you probably have to go with it now. You have decent equitty here. The BD flush draw helps too.

[Tillerman112]

ye thats right but against kowaino u have 0 FE if he has JJ+ here.

[ebarnet]

looks good

edit: if you want a nit to fold AA here, maybe raise like 200 more? but idk if u want a fold here from SB w/ AA cuz BB w/ JJ is calling anyways so better to have 2 calls than 1

[FionnMac]

anyone else got any thoughts on this?

By my (rough) calculations with $500 already in the pot i only need a little bit of fe to make it +EV, but obv calling may be more +EV. Can someone double check this for me plz?

[cts]

too damn hard to get BB to fold anything here, he's coldcalled 3 bets pre and already peeled one on the flop. he's either really strong or sucks and isn't folding

[FionnMac]

LOL i'd been waiting for a decent poster in this thread for hours and them BAM - cts comes along!

cts (and anybody else), what are your thoughts on pf and flat-calling the flop?

[Jay Riall]

I don't see how folding preflop can be an option with position and the price your getting. I think cts is advocating a flat-call on the flop no? If he is I agree.

[FionnMac]

sorry to bump this again but what do people think of calling vs shoving the flop?