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Old 07-20-2007, 10:43 PM
johnc johnc is offline
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Default NL10 - QQ in Middle Facing Turn Allin

SB is pretty much unknown - just 32 hands 40/0/0.67 for what is worth.

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.10 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($13.06)
MP2 ($2.80)
MP3 ($9.90)
CO ($5)
Button ($3.55)
SB ($10.92)
BB ($1.70)
UTG ($10)
UTG+1 ($44.42)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.10. UTG posts a blind of $0.10.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.6</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, SB calls $0.55, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Ok really not sure why I didn't raise here. In retrospect, I suppose the opportunity heads-up encouraged me to just call and look for a low flop in order to get more value which was probably just stupid thinking.

Flop: ($1.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, SB calls $1.50.

Turn: ($4.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB bets $4.5</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $4.50

Is the fold here weaksauce? The flop call got me a bit suspicious but the villain's calling range could still be quite wide here. The turn check-raise was screaming JJ (is this a typical line for AA, KK, or AJ &lt;- [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]?).
Weak or good fold?
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Old 07-20-2007, 11:33 PM
toomuchforu toomuchforu is offline
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Default Re: NL10 - QQ in Middle Facing Turn Allin

this whole thing confuses me...did you raise preflop or not? and did villain minraise turn? if so and villain is SB AJ is a slim possibility but usually a suited 7 or AKhh. probably fold turn is best.
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Old 07-21-2007, 02:02 AM
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Default Re: NL10 - QQ in Middle Facing Turn Allin

Sorry converter messed up. Here's what really happened on the turn:


Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.10 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($13.06)
MP2 ($2.80)
MP3 ($9.90)
CO ($5)
Button ($3.55)
SB ($10.92)
BB ($1.70)
UTG ($10)
UTG+1 ($44.42)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.10. UTG posts a blind of $0.10.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.6</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, SB calls $0.55, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($1.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, SB calls $1.50.

Turn: ($4.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB goes allin for $8.82 </font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $4.50
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Old 07-21-2007, 02:49 AM
rounding_cynic rounding_cynic is offline
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Default Re: NL10 - QQ in Middle Facing Turn Allin

*grunching*

i'd call, with the pot giving odds of 4:1; you only gotta have a better hand than the opponent a little over 20% of the time for the call to be profitable in this situation.... that's pretty good odds IMHO

i'd imagine your opponent would more likely call your pfr with AJ, KJ, JTs than with A7s, 97s, 87s, 76s, 75s, and well... 7-2 OR reraise preflop with JJ or at least raise with JJ on the turn

yea, i'd call... knowing the Queens are good against my opponent's Jx
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