Flatter payout in MTT's

KCSmoker · #1 07-20-2007, 04:47 PM

This topic has been floated on another board I frequent that does not get the amount of traffic as 2+2. I was hoping to get more input so I am posting this here. What is the general feeling of creating a flatter payout in MTT play. I created a payout structure based on last night's 25.00 + 2.50 25K gaurantee on PS. There were 1431 entries for a total prize pool of $35,775. The original prize distibution is on PS for all to see. Here's an alternative:

1 1431.00 0.04
2 1395.23 0.039
3 1359.45 0.038
4 1323.68 0.037
5 1287.90 0.036
6 1252.13 0.035
7 1216.35 0.034
8 1180.58 0.033
9 1144.80 0.032
10 1037.48 0.029
11 1001.70 0.028
12 965.93 0.027
13 930.15 0.026
14 822.83 0.023
15 787.05 0.022
16 751.28 0.021
17 715.50 0.02
18 679.73 0.019
19 554.51 0.0155
20 518.74 0.0145
21 482.96 0.0135
22 447.19 0.0125
23 436.46 0.0122
24 425.72 0.0119
25 414.99 0.0116
26 404.26 0.0113
27 357.75 0.01
28 327.34 0.00915
29 327.34 0.00915
30 327.34 0.00915
31 327.34 0.00915
32 327.34 0.00915
33 327.34 0.00915
34 327.34 0.00915
35 327.34 0.00915
36 327.34 0.00915
37 327.34 0.00915
38 300.51 0.0084
39 300.51 0.0084
40 300.51 0.0084
41 300.51 0.0084
42 300.51 0.0084
43 300.51 0.0084
44 300.51 0.0084
45 300.51 0.0084
46 279.05 0.0078
47 279.05 0.0078
48 279.05 0.0078
49 279.05 0.0078
50 279.05 0.0078
51 279.05 0.0078
52 279.05 0.0078
53 279.05 0.0078
54 279.05 0.0078
55 250.43 0.007
56 250.43 0.007
57 250.43 0.007
58 250.43 0.007
59 250.43 0.007
60 250.43 0.007
61 250.43 0.007
62 250.43 0.007
63 250.43 0.007
64 223.00 0.006233
65 223.00 0.006233
66 223.00 0.006233
67 223.00 0.006233
68 223.00 0.006233
69 223.00 0.006233
70 223.00 0.006233
71 223.00 0.006233
72 223.00 0.006233
35775 1

Some interesting observations: Only 5% of all player's get paid v. 12%. First place is substantially less 1431 v. 7616. 72nd place pays more than 10th 223 v 214. 10th makes substantially more than 10th 1,037 v 214.

JammyDodga · #2 07-20-2007, 05:03 PM

Pah, variance is what makes it fun!

chh · #3 07-20-2007, 05:48 PM

terrible... most of your $ev is BECAUSE of the steep structure rewarding high finishes... and the many prizes is what keeps the fish playing (along with the high possible payday)

flyingmoose · #4 07-20-2007, 05:50 PM

Seriously, you want first to make only $400 more than 10th? That sounds unbearably lame.

KCSmoker · #5 07-20-2007, 05:51 PM

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Pah, variance is what makes it fun!

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I thought it was making money! I really think that only about 5% of all player's benefit from the top heavy payout structure. 95% of player's would benefit from a flatter payout. I have no evidence of this other than just browsing OTR and observing the very low percentage of player's that actually show a profit playing MTT's. I do know that player's such as aBOVebeLOW should not want a structure like this.

KCSmoker · #6 07-20-2007, 05:54 PM

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Seriously, you want first to make only $400 more than 10th? That sounds unbearably lame.

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I'm not really advocating this, I'm just interested in argument's either for or against it.

KCSmoker · #7 07-20-2007, 06:02 PM

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terrible... most of your $ev is BECAUSE of the steep structure rewarding high finishes... and the many prizes is what keeps the fish playing (along with the high possible payday)

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The current structure does not reward high finishes unless you only consider 1-3 to be a high finish. Finishing 10th of 1400 entries seems high to me. I have finished deep in many tournements and I've won a few and I've finished outside the real money ALOT.

I can say for sure that a flip of a coin either going your way at a key time or not going your way consistantly at key times is the difference between making alot of money or breaking even.

flyingmoose · #8 07-20-2007, 06:10 PM

If the majority of people preferred such a flat payout then tournaments would be chopped at a full final table way more often.

The bottom line is that if tournaments didn't have a steep payout they'd be booooooring. Who wants to make the final table and not care about winning because the winner only gets a few bucks more than 4th?

KCSmoker · #9 07-20-2007, 06:14 PM

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The bottom line is that if tournaments didn't have a steep payout they'd be booooooring. Who wants to make the final table and not care about winning because the winner only gets a few bucks more than 4th?

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I agree it is much more exciting at a chance to win 7600 than 1400 -- certainly a negative.

CharlieDontSurf · #10 07-20-2007, 06:18 PM

Id rather pay a 20/180 than that MTT

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